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maciko
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:15 pm    Post subject: Samurai X series Reply with quote
Can anyone help me?
I've got Samurai X the movie and also betrail.
Is there eppisodes before betrail?

Is there any particular order they go in?
Does the Samurai X movie tie in with Betrail.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think you'll find that this thread will be moved to Rurouni Kenshin Forum, because Samurai X = Rurouni Kenshin. You should probably check there.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
didn't you already ask about viewing order somewhere else?

at least there was a thread about this recently - check out RK forum or Anime Recommendation forum, its in one or the other.

Trust comes before Betrayal.

Found the AR thread: http://madboards.madman.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=8773
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, they go:

Samurai X - Trust, Betrayal, the TV series, whack the movie in the series somwhere, then Reflection.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Weis wrote:
Yes, they go:

Samurai X - Trust, Betrayal, the TV series, whack the movie in the series somwhere, then Reflection.


No its the series up to the end of Kyoto, then Trust/Betrayal, then the rest in any order because the rest sucked anyway so it doesn't really matter if you skip it all together.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personbot wrote:
Weis wrote:
Yes, they go:

Samurai X - Trust, Betrayal, the TV series, whack the movie in the series somwhere, then Reflection.


No its the series up to the end of Kyoto, then Trust/Betrayal, then the rest in any order because the rest sucked anyway so it doesn't really matter if you skip it all together.


I agree with Personbot, except with the bit about skipping the rest. You must watch the rest even if its bad and you dont like it, because experiencing both the good and the bad builds character. Smile

Watch the Tokyo, then the Kyoto arcs. Then the Trust/Betrayal OAV.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the betrail episode the most I've not seen trust.

I thought the movie was aimed at kids a bit, it came accross as a bit of a kids morning cartoon.
Maybe it's the colours used or something, betrail seemed a bit more serious.

So how many eppisodes are there in total?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The OAV is 4 parts, Trust and Betrayal being two parts each and making up the 4. To my knowledge there is only one movie. And the TV series is around 90 episodes long.

Moving to the Kenshin section for a more detailed response.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maciko wrote:
I like the betrail episode the most I've not seen trust.

I thought the movie was aimed at kids a bit, it came accross as a bit of a kids morning cartoon.
Maybe it's the colours used or something, betrail seemed a bit more serious.

So how many eppisodes are there in total?


You think it's aimed at kids?? Shocked

The order of the series goes....

Samurai X Trust/Betrayal (4 episodes all together)
Rurouni Kenshin TV series (The animation style is totally different since Trust/Betrayal was made after the TV series ended. 95 Episodes)
Samurai X: The Movie
Samurai X: Reflections (2 episodes, on one DVD. Same animation style as Trust/Betrayal)

And that is that. The manga is still better though Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nosaj wrote:
Personbot wrote:
Weis wrote:
Yes, they go:

Samurai X - Trust, Betrayal, the TV series, whack the movie in the series somwhere, then Reflection.


No its the series up to the end of Kyoto, then Trust/Betrayal, then the rest in any order because the rest sucked anyway so it doesn't really matter if you skip it all together.


I agree with Personbot, except with the bit about skipping the rest. You must watch the rest even if its bad and you dont like it, because experiencing both the good and the bad builds character. Smile

Watch the Tokyo, then the Kyoto arcs. Then the Trust/Betrayal OAV.


I was referring to the chronological order of events, not the order in which it should be watched.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Miyuki wrote:
maciko wrote:
I like the betrail episode the most I've not seen trust.

I thought the movie was aimed at kids a bit, it came accross as a bit of a kids morning cartoon.
Maybe it's the colours used or something, betrail seemed a bit more serious.

So how many eppisodes are there in total?


You think it's aimed at kids?? Shocked

The order of the series goes....

Samurai X Trust/Betrayal (4 episodes all together)
Rurouni Kenshin TV series (The animation style is totally different since Trust/Betrayal was made after the TV series ended. 95 Episodes)
Samurai X: The Movie
Samurai X: Reflections (2 episodes, on one DVD. Same animation style as Trust/Betrayal)

And that is that. The manga is still better though Razz


Your right I should not have said it was aimed at kids, I should have said the animation looked like a Saturday morning cartoon.
As far as animations styles go I think they got it right in betrail the colours seemed a bit darker and the plot came accross more serious. There was a lot less dialog it played like a movie rather then a animation.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
regardless of what was released 1st....

viewing order:

trust/betrayal ova: this gives a brief history of kenshin before he meets anyone from the tv series... this also gives you the reason why he acts the he does throughout the tvseries...

tv series: this follows kenshin after his days of being the batosai, he made a promise to someone in the ova to give up killing, which he has kept to this dat living a life of repentence..

the movie: my personal oppinion i think 2 episodes were cut from the tv series to make the movie as the movie seems to fit between 1 of the 3 arks...

reflection: reflection seems to reflect on the tv series as it has alot of flashback's from the TV episodes throughout the feature...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
But the thing is your not really meant to know much about Kenshins past until the Kyoto Arc, onwards.

And this whole debate about watching the OVAs first is really just pissing me off. Its like telling someone they aren't allowed to watch the first episode of Berserk until after they have seen the rest of the series because thats the chronological order. The author wrote the series of events into the story in a specific order for a reason and breaking that order so that everything is nice and chronological is stupid because you can find out things your not suppose to know about until later in the story and that can ruin the entire experience of watching it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personbot wrote:
And this whole debate about watching the OVAs first is really just pissing me off. Its like telling someone they aren't allowed to watch the first episode of Berserk until after they have seen the rest of the series because thats the chronological order. The author wrote the series of events into the story in a specific order for a reason and breaking that order so that everything is nice and chronological is stupid because you can find out things your not suppose to know about until later in the story and that can ruin the entire experience of watching it.


Here Here. We should get that statement stickied so people stop asking ;P
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, the OVA is a story arc in the scheme of the RK series. You should watch where you are supposed to watch it Wink

The dumbest comment I've heard about someone watching Betrayl and Trust - "Wow, that was like Ninja Scroll". Pffft!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i only stated my oppinion cause that is the way i watched it, frankly i don't really toss in the way anyone watches it, though to understand the the tv series it pays to watch the 2 ova's 1st, otherwise the tv series don't make much sense...

To be honest i thought the OVA series could of gone a bit longer than it did, as 4 episodes really left alot of unanswered questions...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
black_ops wrote:
though to understand the the tv series it pays to watch the 2 ova's 1st, otherwise the tv series don't make much sense...


I still dont understand this, why doesnt the TV series make sense without the OAV?

If its about the scar on his cheek, its meant to be a mystery as to where he got it.

If its about how good Kenshin was before he went pacifist, thats also meant to be a mystery.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TV series seems to make sense to me even if i hadn't seen the OVA first...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sgt_tediz wrote:
TV series seems to make sense to me even if i hadn't seen the OVA first...


Thats because it does. black_ops just likes to say things that get people angry. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
black_ops wrote:
To be honest i thought the OVA series could of gone a bit longer than it did, as 4 episodes really left alot of unanswered questions...


The OVA's covered the entire Remembrance Arc of the manga from the end of volume 19 to the begining of volume 21. The Remembrance Arc takes place during the Jinchuu Arc and is set after the Kyoto Arc and even during Kyoto learning soo much about Kenshins past is totally irrelevant to the story.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This debate is getting me more and more confused....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I haven't read the manga kenshin as of yet, so i can't comment on it as for the ova and tvseries which i've seen..
regardless of where the ova falls in the timeline of the tv series, to understand the the beginning of the tvseries the ova gives you the backstory to a certain point of kenshin's past, and the tv series deals with the present day life if kenshin and his friends and you get a better understanding on the way kenshin act's the he does...


all i say its up to the person theway he/she want's to watch it...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i think the OVAs are like "short movie clips" which makes blends partially into the series.

However, my opinion is to watch the reflection AFTER one has watched
the whole series and the rest of the OVAs.

one wouldn't find "reflection" meaningful if he hasn't watch any of the series or OVAs.

Cheers

I watched the whole series 3 times and OVAs twice ..... Wink
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