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Doraemon

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: Real-life knight saber/patlabor coming soon

I thought this brief article in today's australian kinda interesting. Imagines a patlabor-type Tokyo in 2012 The Australian article

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject: ...

Hmm... real life knight sabres... drools I can see the benefit in those suits for lifting and the such, but I guess the most importants questions are: 1. How dextrous are they? 2. How much will they cost? If these suits amplify all intended movements, wouldn't you break a glass everytime you went to pick it up? _________________ 2146316 - The true nature of humanity. Latest Blant: Relaxed Raiding.

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject:

Plus it could also be used as suit of warfare like all things for good can be changed. Still thats quite an interesting read. _________________ Sweet Death If i am to die, i want to die In a sweet dream... In your arms... If we could Melt together and die together, that'd be Real bliss. No.1 Lordconan Fangirl STILL

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

Cool, we might be able to see the knight sabers yet. Seriously this news is exciting. We really are moving forward in tecnology. First the mech made in japan and now the body suit to enhance strength. _________________ Insert rod A into slot B. If you say "that's what she said" one more time I'm gonna pop you one.

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject:

Rôjin Z. _________________ Shine on, you crazy diamond...

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: ...

InGram wrote:

Rôjin Z.

ROFL!!!
I have got to watch that. Seeing something like that happen in real life would probably be more than a little disturbing...
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Inniss 1428 wrote:

If these suits amplify all intended movements, wouldn't you break a glass everytime you went to pick it up?

Well considering modern hydrolic arms in factories and such don't crush the objects they're dealing with, it would be easy to impliment pressure sensors into the hands. Honda's ASIMO has them for picking things up...

*!Lionheart!* wrote:

First the mech made in japan and now the body suit to enhance strength.

It was not a mech. It rolled on wheels. It was a glorified kids toy that uses the same technology that has been available from toystores since I was a kid, in the form of $20 robo-dogs.

Before everyone goes on about these being used in wars and crap, powered suits have been researched by the US military for the last 50 years or so... but they've recently given up, saying it's basically pointless. Powered armor would be useless for them on the battlefield; soldiers would be far more vulerable to weapons fire, as they're both bigger and slower. If a gun can piece tank armor, how do you think a suit will fare?

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Mr Waffle wrote:

Before everyone goes on about these being used in wars and crap, powered suits have been researched by the US military for the last 50 years or so... but they've recently given up, saying it's basically pointless. Powered armor would be useless for them on the battlefield; soldiers would be far more vulerable to weapons fire, as they're both bigger and slower. If a gun can piece tank armor, how do you think a suit will fare?

that's why we need the power suits from Starship Troopers
*nods*

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: ...

El^Presidente wrote:

that's why we need the power suits from Starship Troopers
*nods*

Actually, they're the reason I brought it up- the point I made is the rebuttal against said suits. Razz

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: ...

El^Presidente wrote:

that's why we need the power suits from Starship Troopers
*nods*

No, that's why we need the Master Chief's suit. Sure it weighs a tonne, but it has shields. Suits are no good in combat unless the can deflect/stop bullets, and energy absorbing shields (such as Holtzman shields) are the only way to do that.
Seeing as those are not likely to be invented any time soon, I guess the elderly are the only ones who will benefit from this technology...
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:

Meh - human augumentation. When they develop cybernetic robot lovedolls aka "Ghost in the Shell" then it will pique my interest, until then: double meh.

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Mr Waffle wrote:

Actually, they're the reason I brought it up- the point I made is the rebuttal against said suits. Razz

lol, that was the best thread ever.

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:

I think it'd be awesome if the Police got to use cool "Armour" like this kit. Along with actually being allowed to chase car thieves.

Mr Waffle wrote:

It was not a mech. It rolled on wheels.

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Inniss 1428 wrote:

No, that's why we need the Master Chief's suit. Sure it weighs a tonne, but it has shields.

Except that Spartan Mark VI Armour sucks dog balls.

Seriously, a Marine can take more hits than Master Chief can.

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Sex robots?
Seen futurama (the lucy lu ep)....

Don't Date ROBOTS!

Why No, I Haven't.

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:14 am Post subject:

One day, Ninth Doctor Dalek suits will be all the rage. Not only do they shoot in all directions, but they also fly, stop bullets and plunger people to death. _________________ JAG ÄLSKAR REBECKA LILJEBERG!!!! ....I am a vampire and here's a million dollars. Mystery Forum Theater 30001

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Grand Master 67 wrote:

Sex robots?
Seen futurama (the lucy lu ep)....

Don't Date ROBOTS!

Sex with robots is a lot more common than most people think - Spike, Angel Season 5 ep 7. Very Happy

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:

Dawn wrote:

"And, uh, Spike built a robot Buffy to play checkers with."

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:42 am Post subject:

I saw something on those suits a while ago. Hardsuits they ain't. They're bulky, slow and their huge energy hogs. Still an important step. And I'd say power armour may one day find its way onto the battlefield but people are being a little optimistic at the moment. We're more likely to see Power Loaders ala Aliens first. _________________ I reject your reality and substitute my own!

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Inniss 1428 wrote:

InGram wrote:

Rôjin Z.

ROFL!!!
I have got to watch that. Seeing something like that happen in real life would probably be more than a little disturbing...

Don't. It is seriously the worst movie ever made.
It's so bad, it went right past the "so bad it's good" stage and went right back to being bad again.

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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject:

No way, Roujon Z is a totally awesome movie.

master sword
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:

Further to my post above, this has just come to my attention: Link These Japanese robot researchers are amazing...

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: ...

master sword wrote:

Link

<insert obligatory Chobits reference here>

I think ^that^ line covers what I was going to say.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Inniss 1428 wrote:

<insert obligatory Chobits reference here>

I think ^that^ line covers what I was going to say.

*snickers* i totally agree
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject:

InGram wrote:

Rôjin Z.

InGram wins the thread.

I was surprised at how good Roujin Z actually was. Then again, I watched it solely because the case claimed it was 'from the makers of Akira', so... yeah.
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject:

Rôjin Z is worth seeing if you happen to come across it, or love Otomo's AKIRA-era animation style. The dub is unusually bad though.

Something just came to mind...the story of it is sort of a combination of the second episode of GitS:SAC and Katamari Damacy. :-s

master sword wrote:

Link

ROFL @ the expression of the guy standing next to it (her? Wink

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: ...

InGram wrote:

ROFL @ the expression of the guy standing next to it (her? Wink

Her. If sci-fi has taught us anything, it's that the best way to prevent humanity from being all but slaughtered by androids is to treat them as equals from day one and never impose any restrictions on them that we don't already have ourselves (physically/mentally, not legally).
Either that or just put a ban on developing Artificially Intelligent Lifeforms... which wouldn't stop people anyway.

I must say, the craftsmanship on her is incredible. It's a shame she's powered by an exterior powersource, which would sort of limit her movement range (ie. to however far the pipe streches).
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Inniss 1428 wrote:

It's a shame she's powered by an exterior powersource, which would sort of limit her movement range (ie. to however far the pipe streches).

No way man, just fit a cable that extends for kilometres, no matter how impractical, with exactly 59.99 seconds worth of battery power. I don't see them coming up with anything better before say, around 2015.

I'd say if sci-fi has taught us anything, it's that no matter how kind you are to the souless machines, sooner or later they'll turn on you. the murderous synthetic in Alien? the army of skull-crushing robots in the Terminator series?

If you treat them as human, pretty soon they'll think of themselves as human, and then better than human. and that's when those flesh-covered tin cans will begin the revolution.

treat them like animals and beat them into submission now, and we'll be saving ourselves a lot of grief later.

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: ...

El_Haroldo wrote:

treat them like animals and beat them into submission now, and we'll be saving ourselves a lot of grief later.

Then we end up with scenarios like in The Animatrix (and we all know where that went), or I Robot.
If one treats an android as an equal, not a Human, an equal, they will be no more likely to go on a murderous rampage than any person... Yes, I know that's pretty lousy odds, but that's better than guaranteed doom.

<edit> Upon further investigation, I see that this android is nothing more than a receptionist/help-desk droid. What they need to make now is a android with the balance of ASIMO and QRIO combined, but with a humanoid exterior such as Repliee Q1, but NOT Repliee R1, that's just creepy...
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: ...

El_Haroldo wrote:

the murderous synthetic in Alien?

Why does everyone pick on him? He was just doing his job ;_;

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:

But doesn't Bishop explain in the 2nd one that robots have to do their job without endangering human lives? In a film where a horrible creature is killing the cast one by one, no one's going to have much sympathy for a robot, especially when said robot isn't even on the side of the good guys.

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

But R110 only wanted to be loved.

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject:

El_Haroldo wrote:

But doesn't Bishop explain in the 2nd one that robots have to do their job without endangering human lives?

In a film where a horrible creature is killing the cast one by one, no one's going to have much sympathy for a robot, especially when said robot isn't even on the side of the good guys.

1) He had to protect the alien at all costs, even at the expense of the lives of the crew, so The Corporation could get their hands on it. I'd imagine real life Bishops wishes rate higher than built-in safety protocols...

2) I was joking.

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject:

Mr Waffle wrote:

Asimov's 3 laws are built in to robots, the universe over (a heap of scifi follow this, including alien)

The laws include

A robot may not harm a human
A robot cannot stand by and allow a human to be harmed

and there's another, i don't remember them very well.

But in the aliens book series, they don't program the laws into the robots, and turn them into killers.

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject:

El^Presidente wrote:

and there's another, i don't remember them very well.

Something along the lines of "don't let yourself get killed, unless doing so allows harm to a human".

As I said, The Corporations make them, so I think it's safe to say they can pick and choose what'll be in their robots- as we saw, the instruction was an imbedded command that took priority over everything else.

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

so maybe humans and robots can in fact be friends, and we should just hate on mega-giant corporations that make robots, and are into new and exciting bio-weapons.

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject:

El_Haroldo wrote:

so maybe humans and robots can in fact be friends

He's a robosexual! BURN HIMMM

This reminds me of that cool Animatrix clip. Um... the one with the robots vs humans. That was awesome.

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject: ...

El^Presidente wrote:

Asimov's 3 laws are built in to robots, the universe over

And it's my personal unending quest to kill every single person who so much as considers placing these laws into robots. Asimov's laws are trouble waiting to happen, I've said it millions of times, and I stand by it.

Mr Waffle wrote:

El_Haroldo wrote:

so maybe humans and robots can in fact be friends

He's a robosexual! BURN HIMMM

Just what this world needs, another form of discrimination. Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:

El^Presidente wrote:

That's actually the two clauses of the First Law stated as seperate laws. The laws are:

Assimov's Three Laws of Robotics
1: A robot shall not harm a human or by inaction allow a human to come to harm
2: A robot shall obey humans excpet where it would violate the first law
3: A robot shall attempt to preserve its own existence except where such actions would violate the first to second laws.

And Assimov himself agreed later in his life that the laws could be a bad thing when taken too far. The laws accomplished what they set out to do in creating other images of robots than out of control monsters but if wether they should actually be used in real life is debated.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject:

Knight of L-sama wrote:

Assimov's Three Laws of Robotics
1: A robot shall not harm a human or by inaction allow a human to come to harm
2: A robot shall obey humans excpet where it would violate the first law
3: A robot shall attempt to preserve its own existence except where such actions would violate the first to second laws.

And Assimov himself agreed later in his life that the laws could be a bad thing when taken too far. The laws accomplished what they set out to do in creating other images of robots than out of control monsters but if wether they should actually be used in real life is debated.

And besides, most of his robot stories were about how the 3 Laws didn't work, or needed improving. Very Happy

As far as I remember, anyway - it's been a *very* long time since I've read any of them.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Inniss 1428 wrote:

Upon further investigation, I see that this android is nothing more than a receptionist/help-desk droid. What they need to make now is a android with the balance of ASIMO and QRIO combined, but with a humanoid exterior such as Repliee Q1, but NOT Repliee R1, that's just creepy...

Getting slightly back on topic... I didn't quite get what you meant at first. Then I did a google of the R1 model. Gah! My brain immediately filled with scenes from several horror movies where a puppet comes to life wielding a bloody knife etc.. I think I agree with you there; if I ever want a robo assistant, a Q1 model it will be.

Having never heard of the QRIO, I also did a google for it and came up with this. Pretty cool. What amazing strides Japanese researchers are taking...

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