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ZeroPrime
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: Beast Machines

I was just wondering if Madman was going to release Beast Machines after Beast wars. It sort of tops off the series and while it has a few plot holes by the end of the second season it is pretty cool. All that "I am transformed" rubish is annoying but it is ok. I would love to see it on DVD in Australia cause all I have is crappy VHS copies that are falling apart. I apologise if this has been asked before.

Elita One
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

I would like to see it released here too.Just to finish off the whole Beast Wars thing The whole series could fit on 4-5 discs as it is only 26 eps. _________________ www.murasakiahiru.deviantart.com Marge, with today's gasoline prices, we can't afford not to buy a pony.- Homer Simpson Badger my @ss. It's probably Millhouse.

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:47 am Post subject:

Definitely! Beast Machines looks awesome. _________________ "The @#$%ing Hulk is here!" - She-Hulk, Hulk XBL gamertag: lividplayer

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject:

Yeah... Add 1 vote for me! I only caught a few episodes when it was on TV and am really keen on seeing the full series! _________________ I'M MAD FOR GIANT ROBOTS!

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject:

Oh, god no! Beast Machines was a horrible, horrible show. _________________ Give in to the demon inside. It will set you free... "Shun Gokuu Sattsu!!!" The Hub. It actually works now! Join us!

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:

Do you have any particular reason for that matter opinion? Last edited by Mr popo on Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:22 pm; edited 2 times in total

Gouki
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

Mr popo wrote:

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Do you have any particular reason for that matter opinion?

Irritating, often nonsensical plot, raping the characters from their Beast Wars personalities (especially Ratrap and Megatron), freaking Nightscream, Cybertron being organic, the whole Hippie Thing, most of the character designs, the angst--oh, god the angst...

It had some nice ideas, and beautiful animation, but as a follow-up to Beast Wars, or even taken on it's own, it fails horribly on most levels.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject:

It was released in America by Mainframe Entertainment which is the same company that made the retro Spiderman animation and that was done very nicely. I never liked beast wars so chances are I wont like the sequel.

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

Mr popo wrote:

It was released in America by Mainframe Entertainment which is the same company that made the retro Spiderman animation and that was done very nicely. I never liked beast wars so chances are I wont like the sequel.

So...you pester somebody else about why they don't like it, in an almost accusing tone (at least, thats how i interpret it) and then say you never liked the show...*i question your sanity*

Retro Spiderman. Was that the 3D one? Please, don't get me started on that.

It's been ages since I've heard anything about Beast Wars or anything like that. I remember the show well, I use to love it. Yet, at the same times, I've forgotten the characters, the plot, and everything important (so sad...)
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject:

Mr popo wrote:

No, it really wasn't. For a start, Mainframe they're a Canadian production company. Secondly, they animated the program, and I think the writers worked for or were affiliated with them as well. But Hasbro was the distributor, and Rhino the DVD distributor.

You don't like Beast Wars, so, who knows, Maybe you will like Beast Machines. You seem to have an aversion to quality.

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It's been ages since I've heard anything about Beast Wars or anything like that. I remember the show well, I use to love it. Yet, at the same times, I've forgotten the characters, the plot, and everything important (so sad...)

Go get Madman's collections right now! Definitely worth the money!
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:

Hrmm...how much are they? And I;ve never seen them around. Not that I look for them or anything, but I've never really seen them anywhere.. _________________ The Doctor: A straight line may be the shortest distance between two points, but it is by no means the most interesting. XBL Gamertag: HaganeGir

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject:

Hagane_Gir wrote:

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So...you pester somebody else about why they don't like it, in an almost accusing tone (at least, thats how i interpret it) and then say you never liked the show...*i question your sanity*

I was just wondering why Gouki didn't like it. I am normally unique in the shows that I don't like. Meaning that when ever I criticize a show people always question me for it.

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Retro Spiderman. Was that the 3D one? Please, don't get me started on that.

How dare you.[/quote]

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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject:

Hagane_Gir wrote:

Hrmm...how much are they?
And I;ve never seen them around. Not that I look for them or anything, but I've never really seen them anywhere..

$50-ish. Around that, anyway.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:

Gouki said

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I meant to say that Mainframe animated it in America. You corrected me and said that they are a canadian company. Fair enough

Gouki said

[/quote]You don't like Beast Wars, so, who knows, Maybe you will like Beast Machines. You seem to have an aversion to quality[quote]

what do you mean by that? I love quality

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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:29 am Post subject:

Well, from what little I've seen of Beast Machines, I thought it was pretty cool. It is definitely darker than Beast Wars. Anyway, from what I've read it sounds pretty cool. The animation looks awesome, and that's enough for me. I'm not all that particular when it comes to Transformers, except when buying it; I'm cool with three seperate Beast Wars sets, but I really wish Madman would collect G1 into one set. Maybe a disc wallet-type case with a tin shell. Yeah, one side with the Autobot badge and the other the Decepticon badge. Awesome, no? _________________ "The @#$%ing Hulk is here!" - She-Hulk, Hulk XBL gamertag: lividplayer

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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject:

I have just never liked retro. I will however give this one a shot and see if I do end up liking it. I hope I do.

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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject:

Beast Machines I dislike for the reasons Gouki has already stated. The mutilation of the old character developments, the whole techno organic cybertron, the hippy sort of thing(like psychadellic visions or stuff) ALSO may I add that transforming in this series sort of turned out like morphing in a way more then proper transforming.

Gouki
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject:

Mr popo wrote:

I have just never liked retro. I will however give this one a shot and see if I do end up liking it. I hope I do.

You just... my, god. This is a direct sequel to Beast Wars. And it's inferior. At least watch Beast Wars instead.

It has Code of a Freakin' Hero.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject:

Well, despite it's flaws, I appreciated the angle took by the chaps behind Beast Machines; it was weird and dark, which is what I liked most about it. I only ever saw a few episodes, but the reason I probably don't find any problems with it is because I never considered it a close sequel. _________________ "The @#$%ing Hulk is here!" - She-Hulk, Hulk XBL gamertag: lividplayer

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:48 am Post subject:

TheGreatNinjaFanBoy wrote:

Well, despite it's flaws, I appreciated the angle took by the chaps behind Beast Machines; it was weird and dark, which is what I liked most about it. I only ever saw a few episodes, but the reason I probably don't find any problems with it is because I never considered it a close sequel.

If you watch it as a standalone series it is kind of ok, but still Beast Wars was superior in most ways.

Gouki
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:57 am Post subject:

Beast Wars! Dinobot! Code of a Hero! It made me cry! _________________ Give in to the demon inside. It will set you free... "Shun Gokuu Sattsu!!!" The Hub. It actually works now! Join us!

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

i liked beastwars and im buying season 3 without ever seeing it so im taking abit of a gamble, id never heard of machinewars but if its part of the series id say i will be buying that aswell (regardless of how crap it is) im just curious as to how the story ends

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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject:

Gouki wrote:

Beast Wars! Dinobot! Code of a Hero!

It made me cry!

So did I, so did I, it's one of few episodes of ANY series in exsistence that has done that to me honnestly. Crying or Very sad

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:12 am Post subject:

All I remember is those terrible looking explosions. Seriously, they looked like they were made of some sort of fire coloured liquid.

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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject:

Ive heard that you guys have the rights to release Beast Machines. A mod on the Seibertron site (Raymond T) said so. Any chance that it will be released. _________________ www.murasakiahiru.deviantart.com Marge, with today's gasoline prices, we can't afford not to buy a pony.- Homer Simpson Badger my @ss. It's probably Millhouse.

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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:45 am Post subject:

Who knows. And terrible fire coloured explosions? Nah they aint terrible they looked good for their time, they still do somewhat.

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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

I love Beast Wars and I like Beast Machines. Beast Machines does have its flaws (some of which have already been addressed so I won't bother repeating them); but I don't hate it. It has some merits too: * Aside from some questionable development in some characters, the continuity is pretty tight. It actually slots in with G1 continuity a lot tighter than Beast Wars did. There are several references in G1 that elude/hint to the notion that Cybertron was originally an organic world (both in the G1 cartoon and comics). * Some of the characters were developed quite well, e.g.: Cheetor, Blackarachnia. * I liked how the story blurred the lines between good and evil and also had the philosophical element too. Great stuff. * The CG rendering and animation was an improvement from Beast Wars, particularly with lighting ("Look ma! Shadows!!") _________________ In Soviet Russia Eye More Than Meets You!

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:36 am Post subject:

I have never seen a single episode of BM but i have heard that it is horrible as all hell, but i'd still love to see a release so i could see them and then i would own all the beast transformers series. _________________ My Final Fantasy.

Kirben
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:

According to the OFLC web site, Beast Machines Volumes 1 & 2 were recently classified for a DVD release by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. Volumes 1 includes: 1. The Reformating 2. Master of the House 3. Fires of the Past 4. Mercenary Pursuits 5. Forbidden Fruit Volume 2 includes: 6. The Weak Component 7. Revelations Part 1: Discovery 8. Revelations Part 2: Descent 9. Revelations Part 3: Apocalypse 10. Survivor

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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:19 am Post subject:

Noooooo! I really wanted Madman to release BM.Aussie only exclusives are sooo worth the $. The commentaries with Scott Mc Neil, Gary Chalk and Alex Willows were funny ****.When they said that recording a voice session fora an ep was like a kinder class, the commentary was simliar.Pretty please for Scott Mc Neil for an Anime con appearance, I wanna meet this guy. Anyway what's the rating for the dvds? _________________ www.murasakiahiru.deviantart.com Marge, with today's gasoline prices, we can't afford not to buy a pony.- Homer Simpson Badger my @ss. It's probably Millhouse.

Gouki
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:40 am Post subject:

Kirben wrote:

According to the OFLC web site, Beast Machines Volumes 1 & 2 were recently classified for a DVD release by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment.

Volumes 1 includes:
1. The Reformating
2. Master of the House
3. Fires of the Past
4. Mercenary Pursuits
5. Forbidden Fruit

Volume 2 includes:
6. The Weak Component
7. Revelations Part 1: Discovery
8. Revelations Part 2: Descent
9. Revelations Part 3: Apocalypse
10. Survivor

Interesting. Sony are really flexing their new Transformers license. I wonder if this is why Madman never announced the Transformers: The Movie rerelease, and it disappeared from the Upcoming releases lists.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

Elita One wrote:

Anyway what's the rating for the dvds?

Both volumes were given a PG rating,

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject:

Gouki wrote:

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Interesting. Sony are really flexing their new Transformers license. I wonder if this is why Madman never announced the Transformers: The Movie rerelease, and it disappeared from the Upcoming releases lists.

While its really disappointing Sony are releasing this locally ... and in such a collector unfriendly format (our plan was for a single 2-season set), it does not mean anything for the other Transformers licenses.

We will still release the Special Edition of the movie, in June. Along with something else rather special and Transformery. Stay tuned. And watch Beast Wars in the meantime if you haven't already.

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject:

Ah nuts looks like I wont get the chance to see it but no big loss. I thought Madman had the license for the Transformers stuff.

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject:

Mad Anime Fan wrote:

Ah nuts looks like I wont get the chance to see it but no big loss.
I thought Madman had the license for the Transformers stuff.

As explained, we do. Just not Beast Machines.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

Blind Lawyer wrote:

[..]

While its really disappointing Sony are releasing this locally ... and in such a collector unfriendly format (our plan was for a single 2-season set), it does not mean anything for the other Transformers licenses.

We will still release the Special Edition of the movie, in June. Along with something else rather special and Transformery. Stay tuned. And watch Beast Wars in the meantime if you haven't already.

I'm really hoping it's the Japanese series'.

But I'll be watching Beast Wars Season 3 tonight. Getting it for my birthday, later today!
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject:

Blind Lawyer wrote:

So you are releasing the Special Ed of the movie? Thankyou!! I was really tempted to order OS but now I don't have to. Shame about Beast Machines Sad

. I too hope that you are releasing the Japanese series (Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory).
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

Beast Machines Volume 1 & 2 are been released on 20th June 2007, according to the Coming Soon section at EzyDVD web site. With a price of $14.92 per volume.

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

I noticed the Beast Machines Volume 1 and 2 DVDs were recently re-classified at the OFLC web site, due to the amount of episodes per DVD been increased. Volumes 1 includes: 1. The Reformating 2. Master of the House 3. Fires of the Past 4. Mercenary Pursuits 5. Forbidden Fruit 6. The Weak Component Volume 2 includes: 7. Revelations Part 1: Discovery 8. Revelations Part 2: Descent 9. Revelations Part 3: Apocalypse 10. Survivor 11. The Key 12. The Catalyst 13. End of the Line

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

Slykura wrote:

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As explained, we do. Just not Beast Machines.

What about with series such as Armada, Energon and Cybertron?
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:21 am Post subject:

Bowspearer wrote:

What about with series such as Armada, Energon and Cybertron?

Disney have rights to Transformers - Robots in Disguise, but have only released the series on DVD in the UK, with poor video quality.

Warner Vision released the complete Transformers Armada series on DVD in the past.

Paramount Home Entertainment have local rights for Transformers Energon, but have only released two volumes (10 episodes).

Paramount Home Entertainment have local rights for Transformers Cybertron, but have only released a single volume (4 episodes).

The new Transformers Animated series, is a Cartoon Network series, so I expect would be released by Madman in future.

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:07 am Post subject:

Kirben wrote:

[..]

Disney have rights to Transformers - Robots in Disguise, but have only released the series on DVD in the UK, with poor video quality.

Warner Vision released the complete Transformers Armada series on DVD in the past.

Paramount Home Entertainment have local rights for Transformers Energon, but have only released two volumes (10 episodes).

Paramount Home Entertainment have local rights for Transformers Cybertron, but have only released a single volume (4 episodes).

The new Transformers Animated series, is a Cartoon Network series, so I expect would be released by Madman in future.

Was aware of all that- it was more an case of wondering it the situation had changed in terms of lisences, because as you've pointed out, in the cases of Energon and Cybertron a real mess of things was made, and the Armada discs are at the level of a Payless DVD IMO. What's more, if Madman have no plans to acquire the rights to Armada, I'm importing the Rhino version straight out!
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:33 am Post subject:

Bowspearer wrote:

No changes:
Disney would still have rights to the Transformers RID series. The Jetix branch of Disney re-released Transformers - RID on DVD, last year (October 2007) in the UK.

Paramount Home Entertainment would still have rights to the Transformers Cybertron/Energon, as their releases are still available (in online shops). Actually I have not seen any cartoon series released by Paramount Home Entertainment and later re-released by another company.

Warner Vision would still have rights to Transformers Armada, as the series is still listed on their web site and available (in online shops).

The local DVD rights to cartoon series don't change very often. Usually a good indicator, is that the previous DVD releases are no longer available for sale anywhere.

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:39 am Post subject:

Kirben wrote:

[..]

No changes:
Disney would still have rights to the Transformers RID series. The Jetix branch of Disney re-released Transformers - RID on DVD, last year (October 2007) in the UK.

My RiD discs arrived the other day, and if the release is anything like the Dino Riders set I got at the same time, I shudder to think where they might have screwed up.

I mean when someone advertises a complete series, you expect it to be complete right? Well these guys left out AT LEAST 1 episode in the release. Seriously not fun to be on the receiving end of when you're looking forward to it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

I managed to enjoy Beast Machines. There were quite a few plot points I thought were pretty neat. Though it certainly is a drastic change from G1 and even a pretty drastic change from Beast Wars too.

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

Gouki wrote:

Irritating, often nonsensical plot,

Define nonsensical

Gouki wrote:

raping the characters from their Beast Wars personalities (especially Ratrap and Megatron),

Hardly- Rattrap's wisecracking was always a coping mechanism- unfortunately all that happened to him and to Cybertron just proved to be too much for him to compensate for- all the ways he acted on BM we'd already seen snippets of in Beast Wars proper.

As for Megatron- are you freakin kidding me- Bob Forward and Larry Di Tilio completely sent him over the edge when he merged with the original Megatron's spark and gained his Dragon alt mode. Everything flowing from there makes perfect sense.

Gouki wrote:

freaking Nightscream,

Nightscream was basically the attitude of Season 1 BW Cheetor combined with the smart-assed nature of Rattrap- nothing people weren't already used to.

Gouki wrote:

Cybertron being organic,

Cybertron being Technorganic makes perfect sense- not only were the Quints organic but the predecessors to the TFs in either the cartoon or the comic were technorganic (transorganics in the cartoon and the subteranean dwellers in issue 75 of the comic).

Gouki wrote:

the whole Hippie Thing,

Considering the ethnic clensing of Megatron, it was enevitable as a counterpoint.

Gouki wrote:

most of the character designs,

In what way?

Gouki wrote:

the angst--oh, god the angst...

Care to clarify?

Gouki wrote:

It had some nice ideas, and beautiful animation, but as a follow-up to Beast Wars, or even taken on it's own, it fails horribly on most levels.

I'll agree to disagree with you there.
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