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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I also demand that they make whatever arrangements are necessary to have one of the presenters hooning across the middle of the country in a Veyron.


Wonder how it handles off the blacktop.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have seen pictures of what appears to be a rally/offroad-spec Veyron.

It gives a whole new meaning to the word "scary".
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I have seen pictures of what appears to be a rally/offroad-spec Veyron.

It gives a whole new meaning to the word "scary".


Now that is truly a terrifying thought.

I did find this the other day when browsing around - almost brought a tear to my eye.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dare one of you guys to ring your insurance company and tell them you're thinking of buying a Veyron, and would like to know how much it would cost to insure it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
They'll probably confuse it with a Rover.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
They'll probably confuse it with a Rover.

Laughing
but seriously they would either
a) would have no idea what car you're talking about,
or
b) would slam the phone down without saying a word,
or
c) after 15 minutes on the phone basicly giving them your life storey they'll inform you that you can not be ensured to drive a rover. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dare one of you guys to ring your insurance company and tell them you're thinking of buying a Veyron, and would like to know how much it would cost to insure it.


No way. If I did that, they'd probably conclude that I can afford to be charged more for insurance than I currently am and up my rates.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Laughing
but seriously they would either
a) would have no idea what car you're talking about,
or
b) would slam the phone down without saying a word,
or
c) after 15 minutes on the phone basicly giving them your life storey they'll inform you that you can not be ensured to drive a rover. Laughing


Really wouldn't it come down to if they've seen Top Gear? After all Clarkson tried it in the original test run and look where that got him!

Actually hang on ... do they get Top Gear in India? Probably not ... my money's on c)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sound's like it is a vehicle that look's good on paper and that's about it, in the real world it's a lemon...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Am still shocked they havent let them do a timed run around the Top Gear test track.

Scared of a car 3 or 4 times cheaper being faster maybe Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
redacidman wrote:
sound's like it is a vehicle that look's good on paper and that's about it, in the real world it's a lemon...

ummm, what car are you talking about? Rolling Eyes

Toohey wrote:
Am still shocked they havent let them do a timed run around the Top Gear test track.
Scared of a car 3 or 4 times cheaper being faster maybe Wink

or they could be concerned about the safety of the driver? i would assume you would need a fairly decent sized track to get the most out of the car. but i was under the impression that at first the manufacturers didn't want to hand it over to the stig but since then they have let him drive it. can any one confirm?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ive seen it in three TG episodes now. First with Jeremy doing that race against the plane, second with James doing the top speed run and the third with Hammond against the jet (that was good to watch). From what ive watched i havent seen the Stig in it yet - i could be mistaken though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
redacidman wrote:
sound's like it is a vehicle that look's good on paper and that's about it, in the real world it's a lemon...


If you're talking about the Veyron, you don't know what you're on about.

Hang on, it's redacidman. You automatically don't know what you're on about.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Toohey wrote:
Ive seen it in three TG episodes now. First with Jeremy doing that race against the plane, second with James doing the top speed run and the third with Hammond against the jet (that was good to watch). From what ive watched i havent seen the Stig in it yet - i could be mistaken though.


i thought there was also an episode where clarkson just drives it across the country side? i think it might of been the first time he had driven it.

Yomi Plushtoy wrote:

If you're talking about the Veyron, you don't know what you're on about.

Hang on, it's redacidman. You automatically don't know what you're on about.


Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dante wrote:
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i thought there was also an episode where clarkson just drives it across the country side? i think it might of been the first time he had driven it.


Yeah, that'd be the first one where he races the other two in a light air-plane from Italy to London
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yeah, that'd be the first one where he races the other two in a light air-plane from Italy to London


oh yeah, thats right, i was too busy drooling over the car too notice the plane Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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sound's like it is a vehicle that look's good on paper and that's about it, in the real world it's a lemon...


Actually the Veyron is the exact opposite of a lemon.

It is the greatest car that has ever been made, or that will ever be made.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Actually the Veyron is the exact opposite of a lemon.

It is the greatest car that has ever been made, or that will ever be made.


amen to that
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Actually the Veyron is the exact opposite of a lemon.

It is the greatest car that has ever been made, or that will ever be made.


Ditto ... at least until I finally get my Jetsons bubble car
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Actually the Veyron is the exact opposite of a lemon.

It is the greatest car that has ever been made, or that will ever be made.



.....Toyota Hilux?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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.....Toyota Hilux?


No, that's just the most difficult to destroy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dont think it would beat the koenigsegg round the top gear test track ... the thing's a tank, it weighs almost 2000kg, and the top gear test track aint exactly one for long straights. The koenigsegg weighs almost half of what the veyron does.

I think by "good on paper" he meant "only good in a straight line"

Anyway, I wouldn't drive either, I'd go from Living--->Dead in 2.1 seconds
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dont think it would beat the koenigsegg round the top gear test track ... the thing's a tank, it weighs almost 2000kg, and the top gear test track aint exactly one for long straights. The koenigsegg weighs almost half of what the veyron does.

I think by "good on paper" he meant "only good in a straight line"

Anyway, I wouldn't drive either, I'd go from Living--->Dead in 2.1 seconds


A few things to consider.

1. The koenigsegg wasnt exactly the best handling or forgiving car
2. From memory the Veyron can break harder, 4 turbos will accelerate you out of the corners faster and remember
3. Veyron is all wheel drive

I personally think it can do it BUT not by a margin big enough to warrent that insane price tag.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think you guys are forgetting the thing that makes the Veyron awesome, above and beyond its ridiculous power.

It's actually a great car to drive. No review of it that I've seen said anything other than the fact that it is a comfortable car that handles exceptionally well, delivers power when its needed, and is not really any harder to drive than the average Mercedes. The fact is that even if the Veyron had half the speed it has now, it would still be just a fantastic car to own.

To highlight this, listen to James May's comments when he took it to 407km/h. He said that it was different to going flat out in a Koenigsegg or a Lamborghini because it never felt like the car was straining. It felt like the Veyron would have happily gone up another 407km/h if he'd have let it. I think that's very telling of just how well-designed it is. It's a true "driver's car" in the way that Lamborghinis and Koenigseggs (and Ferraris, for that matter) aren't.

Even if I never drove it over 100km/h, I would love to drive a Veyron, because it would just be a brilliant driving experience anyway.

The only thing wrong with it, really, is that its fuel economy is a bit on the heavy side.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The only thing wrong with it, really, is that its fuel economy is a bit on the heavy side.


only a bit though. Laughing

i think stormo has sumed it up pretty well but there is also another aspect of the car that, in my mind, makes it awesome. it's the pure engineering genius/wow factor/technology (more so the engineering part) behind it and how it all comes together. i assume it would of taken a fair bit of R & D to produce the car we see today and to make sure it doesn't throw a pistion or one of those four snails from out under the bonnet out the back.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Am I the only one who thinks the veyron is ugly?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, but I personally think it looks really great.

Some colour schemes don't work as well as others, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i was talking about the car that blew up...

i still think there's nothing in the world that could catch the escudo in a race...

on a test track or race track there's probably nothing in the current crop of super cars that could match it pound for pound with the veyron...

what shows up on a test track in the data may not show in the real world on the streets and that's where i was coming from, i watch these programs as well, listening the the presenters most most sound like they are reading from a bofin mag when describing what they feel behind the wheel...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm pretty sure the Veyron could fairly easily catch an Escudo, to be honest.

Keep in mind that the Veyron can out-accelerate most Group B rally cars.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Norm, I was was referring to the pikes peak version of the escudo, not the standard version...

I believe the last couple of versions of the pikes peak escudo have had over 1000hp, not sure what horse power the veryron pushes out i doubt if it would go over 700hp...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Veyron could fairly easily catch an Escudo, to be honest.


Densetsu no koubutsu Esukuudo!!!

... if they were making Magic Knight Rayearth today, what sort of character would Veyron be?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Norm, I was was referring to the pikes peak version of the escudo, not the standard version...

I believe the last couple of versions of the pikes peak escudo have had over 1000hp, not sure what horse power the veryron pushes out i doubt if it would go over 700hp...


aaaaah, no, sorry wrong, the veyron makes well above that and then the special edition Veyron mentioned a couple of pages back plonks another 200 horses on top of that figure.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i still think there's nothing in the world that could catch the escudo in a race...


Aside from all the other cars that have won Pikes Peak? Last time I heard a Toyota Tundra kept winning...

Besides, the Escudo couldn't even drive on a real track, it'd shake itself apart. It's designed for going uphill, and that's it. It's like comparing an F1 car to a jetski. You should move beyond Gran Turismo as your car knowledge base.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no i remember reading it somewhere..

as for granturismo that's nothing...

i realize the peak pike escudo was designed for going up hill, there hasn't been anything that has come close the pikes peak escudo when it comes to the horse power to the weight ratio..

the only vehicle i know of that has come close to knocking off the escudo is the saleen built car not sure what the final power to weight ratio that had, i remember the doco i watched on it some time ago...

i don't think any car that has horse greater than 500 is meant to be street legal in australia, laws differ in other parts of the world...

the problem now there's a lot small sports car builders that are building lighter cars and giving them performance of cars twice their size and twice to three times their horse power
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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the only vehicle i know of that has come close to knocking off the escudo is the saleen built car not sure what the final power to weight ratio that had, i remember the doco i watched on it some time ago...

Do you even know what a Lancia Delta S4 is?

As I said, the Veyron can match it with Group B Rally cars. If you know what a Group B car is (or, more to the point, was), then you'd realise that the Veyron itself is a simply amazing piece of machinery.

Unless the Escudo can do 0-100 in 2.1 seconds, has a top speed of 407 km/h, 1001 BHP, an airbrake that has more stopping power than an entire Volkswagen Golf, a gearbox with better tolerances than an F1 gearbox, a body that physically changes shape as you go faster, all-wheel drive, an 8 litre quad-turbo W16 engine, a comfortable, smooth and enjoyable ride, and a supercar that's actually driveable every day, then it's simply not even in the same league as the Veyron.

And if you still don't believe me, watch what a Veyron does to an M3.

And listen to that engine.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i realize the peak pike escudo was designed for going up hill, there hasn't been anything that has come close the pikes peak escudo when it comes to the horse power to the weight ratio..


You've obviously never seen drag racing. To steal from wikipedia-

"The fastest top fuelers can attain terminal speeds of over 530 km/h (330 mph) while covering the quarter mile (402 m) distance in roughly 4.45 seconds."

"The faster categories of drag racing are an impressive spectacle, with engines of over 5 MW (6700 horsepower) and noise outputs to match (measured at 3.9 on the Richter Scale by seismologist Dr. Doug Brittsan)"

The comparison is completely valid, as nothing about the Escudo is like the original car. They're as purpose built as each other, for different purposes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
On a slightly less exotic note, Jalopnik has a pretty great review of the Audi R8, wherein the reviewer compares the R8 to a car you might have actually driven: A 1992 Honda Civic.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In relation to the Veyron, i watched the bit from Top Gear where it drags a Eurofighter Typhoon Jet. Hamster has to race along the airstrip to the 1mile mark while the jet takes off and goes up a mile vertically then they race back to the finish line

needless to say it was rather exciting to see even if the Veyron did lose (jet cheated, it had advantage of gravity lol)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Waffle, top fuel is nothing it's a different type of racing that's all, you will not see it do much over a quarter of a mile at a time...

yes i know what an lancia delta is, though you don't hear much about them on the rally circuit now days, i believe group b rally is a standard road car with limited modification...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Waffle, top fuel is nothing it's a different type of racing that's all, you will not see it do much over a quarter of a mile at a time...

yes i know what an lancia delta is, though you don't hear much about them on the rally circuit now days, i believe group b rally is a standard road car with limited modification...


And you won't see an Escudo do anything except drive uphill, so therefore a drag racer is a faster 'car'.

And yes, Group B cars are standard road cars with limited modification. Except for the fact they were banned for being so dangerously fast and having 500hp+ 4 cylinder engines. Because we all see Corollas and Civics driving around with as much power as a V8 supercar...

God, why am I even replying to this. Internet special olympics...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So I hear there is a game somewhere that has the Top Gear Track, and the one the hot greaser chick raced around in a stripped out van. Does anyone know which game it is? The existence of those two tracks are possibly the only thing that would ever have me interested in a racing game.
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So I hear there is a game somewhere that has the Top Gear Track


Gran Turismo 5. I have no idea what you're talking about for the second one...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
there was an ep of Top Gear where Jamie drove a diesel powered car around an apparently very famous open to the public racecourse. It was run by a hot German(?) greaser. Jamie spent two days on the course trying to beat a specific time. Once he eventually made the time, the hot greaser, instead of congratulating him, said "I can do that time in a Van." A few episodes later they went back to see if she actually could. They gave her a van, stripped it clean (make it as light as possible) and she did two runs and got within a few seconds of what Jamie took two whole days.

That racecourse where it all took place. That apparently is in a game. I thought it was the same game as the Top Gear Track.

[a few minutes later]

OK! Nürburgring is the track to which I was referring, and Sabine Schmitz was the Hot Greaser who drove around it in a Van.

Apparently the Track has made several appearances in [s]yawnfest[/s] Racing games. One of which is Forza2, which I actually already have. I got it "free" when I bought Viva Pinata. I might actually play it now. Once I get a x360, that is.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nurburgring is also in Gran Turismo 4
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HeDanny wrote:
One of which is Forza2, which I actually already have. I got it "free" when I bought Viva Pinata. I might actually play it now. Once I get a x360, that is.


Let me know when you do and I will "Gift" you some cars to get you started.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nürburgring is pretty much required in every racing game these days. Although I'm yet to see a Ford Transit in any of them.

It's usually presented as the toughest, most technically challenging track in any given game. The Nordschliefe's sheer length (~22 km) and its narrow, twisty sections make for an incredible challenge. I can get a Koenigsegg CCX around it in maybe seven and a half minutes, but PGR3's Norschliefe is not completely accurate.

Forza 2 has the most accurate representation of Nürburgring so far. PGR4's is identical, except that they force you to drive around it in the snow.

Sabine Schmitz wrote:
"Never enter Karussell when on the brakes! I have gone round there on the roof, I know what I'm talking about."


She's absolutely right.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
PGR4's is identical, except that they force you to drive around it in the snow.


The first time you're exposed to that in the career mode, when you're offered the oldschool car... one of the most terrifyingly awesome races in a game. Ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never seen my Dad get so angry at a video game as when he was trying to do that.

You do get a new appreciation for F1 drivers of the 1960s, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nothing beats a good roll over in a racing game, that's for sure...

in any game where you get a chance to drive older vehicles, you do have to give new found respect to people who raced those vehicles all those years ago, whether you drive a 50-60's muscle car or the latest model ricer or 4-door saloon you notice how the car handles...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
Nürburgring is pretty much required in every racing game these days. Although I'm yet to see a Ford Transit in any of them.

FAIL Sad

after a bit of research it seems GT5 is the only game with the Top Gear Track. Pls correct me if that is wrong. At this point, considering that game is not even out yet, it will be a loooong time until its in the $30 dump bin and therefore ALMOST worth it just so I can pretend to be the Stig. *sigh*

oh.. and thanks for the offer of cars, but I doubt I will be online with the x360 when I get it, and as I have almost xer0 interest in racing games, I will probably play forza2 just long enough to see that one track a few times then use it as a coaster.
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