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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: New vs Old Reply with quote
Wich do you prefer, the new remake of Astroboy, or the classics?

Personaly I've never seen the classic astroboy, but I watch the new ones every thursday and aboslutly love it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are three versions actually.
A black and white series was done in the 1960s. A coloured version done in the 1980s, which Madman are releasing. And the recentlly produced series, which Columbia Tristar are releasing soon.
I've seen a few episodes of the old black and white shows. Animation is a bit static, but the feel of the show is very good.
The 1980's show is the one I grew up with. It's noticably darker than the 1960's show, but is still very good.
Haven't seen an episode of the new series, but I will.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've only seen a little bit of the 2003 series, but I'd like to buy the DVD's when they come out. I'll definitely be buying the collection release of the 1980's series though.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tallis wrote:

Haven't seen an episode of the new series, but I will.


Its on ABC thursday at 5:30pm, the animation is gagagoogoo brilliant, as I said I can't compare to the other serise's but its a fun show Very Happy (And Dr Tenma rocks)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd say the 80's one is better, I grew up watching it and from what I remember, it's good. The new one look pretty but it's not enough to keep me watching though ... Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Although I loved Astroboy as a primary school kid in the mid 1980's, I'm a little tired of people automatically declaring that series superior simply because they "grew up with it" and "remember it was pretty good".

I think too many people aren't considering that maybe it won't live up to their memories and are dismissing the new series because they mistakenly think different = bad.

I hope to be able to buy both series and once I've watched some of each, then I can decide which one is better.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have watched the 80s version and what I could of the latest before I stopped. The 80s version wins. Because it was dark. Because it did not feel like it was made as if to "protect the children". It is in the spirit of the old Brother's Grimm fairy tales. The new Astroboy has all the modern animation and such, but is a spiritual vacuum. The first few episodes of the 80s Astroboy had emotional impact. The first few episodes of the latest Astroboy were "Wheeee! AEWSOEM!!!111eleven~~ I'll get you Gadget next time next time!!!".

Here's an example which someone else will have to verify because I don't watch the new stuff anymore to see if it gets remade. There was an episode in the 80s version where there is a girl robot who is a great big walking bomb. Astro falls for her and tries to save her, but in the end, to stop the bomb, she must "die". Astro accepts it but in memoriam, uses her feet, which were the only components still whole in the dismantling process to deactivate the bomb. It dealt with pain and loss and doing the greater good even if it meant losing the one you love. I doubt I'd see that in the new Astroboy judging by what I've seen, but please, by all means, prove me wrong Sony.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You might be pleasently suprised if you watched all of the new series. In the second half, a robot is accused of murder, which eventually results in a war between Humans and Robots. Astro, being the hero that he is, is the only one willing to stand up in the middle of the madness and try to put an end to the war.

Now as for which is better, I honestly can't remember much of the 80's series. Just bits and pieces here and there. I'll get the box, re-watch it after having seen the new series, and then I'll get back to you.

You know, when I was growing up, two of my staples were Astroboy and Battle Of The Planets -- and now Madman are releasing both within a month or two of each other. Truely is a great time to be collecting anime.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I haven't had the luxury of seeing the new series yet and the old one is quite faint in my memory. I am eagerly awaiting November 10th though.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the 80's series on VHS and have watched it several times since it was released, so it is still easily recalled to me. I watched the first 4 episodes of the new series on ABC Kids and stopped watching it regular. I have seen maby another 4 episodes since then.

The fact that I have been an astroboy fan for around 30 years, and I do not care is I miss the new series when it airs has got to say something about its quality.

Another comparison would be the new series has to be the cheapers DVD release out there. $15 for 12 episodes per DVD?? Its almost like they are throwing it away hoping the rediculously cheap price will sway people before they realise the content is nothing like they are hoping.

AstroBoy in the 80's had HEART AND SOUL. The new series, altho not "bad" when compared to such things as Beyblades or other Saturday Morning Anime today, does not come even close to the quality of the 80's series.

I have also seen several episodes of the 60's Astroboy thru tape exchanges, conventions, the NTSC videos etc. This series was also remarkably well done for its time. It is a real shame that a fair amount of these episodes have been lost forever.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Japanese languagee version of the new series apparently is alot better then the English ersion. It apparently feels alot more like the 80's version.
You can buy the boxset of the new Astroboy series in R3. I think it has subtitles and all, released by Columbia Tristar aswell.
If your interested I'll give you the link later on.
Also, Madman might possibly release 60's series if the 80's series sells well.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
80's version has Daddy Walrus, 2003 version doesn't.

80's ASTROBOY WINS!!!!




I haven't seen the 60's Astroboy.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HeDanny wrote:

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The fact that you even compare it to Beyblades, wich is officaly the worst anime ever made. I have seen rotten feces that are better then beyblades. And if that wasnt't bad enough they managed to make it even worse in the new serise when everyone was all chibi and ****...

The new astroboy is cool, I mean everything is all shiny and **** Very Happy I know that you shouldn't base oppinions of a show on its animation but the animation in the new Astro boy is really above par. Compare it to almost any other serise. Hell even some movies and its above par. The animation was the main thing that sold me on the new astro boy. But that isn't to say that the story line is bad, Its cool too (It aint no Digimon, wich for me wins with saturday morning anime plots) But its not far off.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think I would have loved the new series but for 2 things:
1) Astro's new voice....The 80's version sounds much more empathetic, as opposed to the new series. He sounds like a little punk lol

2) I like to call the "poochie" factor. Whats the deal with making cartoon characters look angry 90% of the time so they appear cool.

I guess both of these points mix together, in a very simple conversation astroboy seems to be "angry", but I guess im confusing that for the 110% attitude they have given him. hmmmm
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KickyFunkFresh wrote:
80's version has Daddy Walrus, 2003 version doesn't.

80's ASTROBOY WINS!!!!
He turns up in the second half. Time to find a new reason. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KickyFunkFresh wrote:
80's version has Daddy Walrus, 2003 version doesn't.


Sounds like a sweedish rapper.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i cant remember the 80's one properly. maybe cause i was only born in 88 and my memory is bad then.

but watching the new one its looks kinda like a megaman show but with a flying robot.

meh. if i have the money ill pick it all up. i doubt i will but i can dream
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm older then you? Weird...

Strange that you mention Megman, one of the topics of discussion that never fails to come up when me and Shannon are watching Astroboy is who would win between him and Megman.

We determined that Megman would kick Astros arse.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never really been into Astro Boy. I 've seen a couple of episodes of the new series and thought it was okay, but I just can't be bothered with it. I always forget it's on anyway, and my ABC reception is s**t.

And yeah, Megaman would woop Astro in the (tin) can. But the Powerpuff Girls would beat both of them... cause they have Girl Power(tm). Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Persocom wrote:
KickyFunkFresh wrote:
80's version has Daddy Walrus, 2003 version doesn't.

80's ASTROBOY WINS!!!!
He turns up in the second half. Time to find a new reason. Wink


Damn! Does he still have his temper and penchant for launching tennis balls at Atlas?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spite wrote:

And yeah, Megaman would woop Astro in the (tin) can. But the Powerpuff Girls would beat both of them... cause they have Girl Power(tm). Razz


Well they might be able to beat Megman, but I doubt they would be able to beat X. I mean.... he's X for christs sake Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KickyFunkFresh wrote:
Persocom wrote:
KickyFunkFresh wrote:
80's version has Daddy Walrus, 2003 version doesn't.

80's ASTROBOY WINS!!!!
He turns up in the second half. Time to find a new reason. Wink


Damn! Does he still have his temper and penchant for launching tennis balls at Atlas?
Ummm, no. In the new series he plays the role of a washed out detective, a lot closer to his original role in the manga.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just bought the new series...and i am so confused.

The names have changed...Dr Elephant is Dr. O'Shea Razz

And the voices have changed as well.

I think i will always love the original series better...but i will give the new series a go.

Is the old version going 2 be released?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Incubus wrote:
The names have changed...Dr Elephant is Dr. O'Shea Razz


I *think* it's because the English version names are now closer to the Japanese.

Incubus wrote:
Is the old version going 2 be released?


Yeah, Madman is releasing the 1980's series. Columbia Tristar is releasing the 2003 series.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks buddy! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i don't like the new version... i grew up with the 80's version and it is a lot better imho...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks buddy! Smile


Wait, on your name. Is it suposed to be the band, or did you name yourself after a deamon that comes down and rapes women?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wolfgangh wrote:
Incubus wrote:
Thanks buddy! Smile


Wait, on your name. Is it suposed to be the band, or did you name yourself after a deamon that comes down and rapes women?


Shocked

Its the name of the band. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahh, I wonder if the band named themselve after the deamon, that would be weird....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ahh, I wonder if the band named themselve after the deamon, that would be weird....


Why? What *else* could they have named themselves after?! Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've only seen the 80's and new version. I must say that I enjoy the 80's version more, the dialogue of the new show just isn't right. ^_^
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mrgazpacho wrote:
Wolfgangh wrote:
Ahh, I wonder if the band named themselve after the deamon, that would be weird....


Why? What *else* could they have named themselves after?! Razz


You ahh... make a good point... Embarassed
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Actually...The band incubus got their name when Mike, the guitarist, looked up the word in the dictionary. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
While I can't remember the whole series, I DO have the first VSH volume of 80's AstroBoy, and I must say I really do prefer to overall "feel" of the seris. it's just a feels a bit more....oh, real.

I was really looking forward to the new series when I got AusStar and they were adbertising it, but found that I just didn't like it. I don't know why, but I just couldn't get into it.

I'm also kinda disapointed that None of Astro's family, save his sister, seems to have made it into the new version. Oh and Daddy Walrus has changed from a teacher into what seems to be a private eye, based on the one(bit of a) episode I saw with him for the second season of the new series. (Which I saw when I was either channel surfing, or waiting for Ultimate Muscle to start)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wich one is Daddy Wallrus?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Age showing, all this talk of the new and old version. I grew up in the sixties with the original and all this comparison makes me hesitate to get either of the new versions.

Can anyone who has seen the original comment?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Wich one is Daddy Wallrus?


http://www.absoluteanime.com/astro_boy/walrus.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So he is the one that is like Astros dad? Right oh then, cheers for that Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So he is the one that is like Astros dad? Right oh then, cheers for that Very Happy


Nope, wrong. Razz

Doctor Elefun is probably the one you're thinking about. He didn't build Astro, but he "raised" him until Astro was given a robot mother and father to live with.

Daddy Walrus was, I think, one of Astro's school teachers and a believer that robots and humans could co-exist. Therefore he was a strong supporter of Astro's.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KANE79 wrote:

Daddy Walrus was, I think, one of Astro's school teachers and a believer that robots and humans could co-exist. Therefore he was a strong supporter of Astro's.


Ahh, I don't think I've seen him in the new one yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: I remember original and 80's versions only just! Reply with quote
IMHO the few episodes of the 2003 series i have watched were visually great but the emotional impact was (as described earlier) without soul..

the Home Alone voice of Astroboy was distracting and not in tune with the character as it lives in my memory

I look forward to Madmans release of 80's Astroboy on DVD and would love to know that a new generation of Astro fans may follow his trials and tribulations... .

Bring on the Original Series...

And i look forward to all youre thoughts after you too have watched (and i have remembered better Confused Shocked Smile ) The Mighty Atom.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the 1980's version or Astroboy better then the new ones that they are showing today.

I had tried to like the new version of astro but it just not the same as the one that i had watched as a kid.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I must be the only one who likes the new Astro Boy series...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I grew up with the old Astro, and I'd have to say that in this case older is definatly better.

I loved the old Atlas, the way they made him in Astro's imagine..then later he 'grew up'..I remember him being REALLY evil, the Atlas in this new series seems like a spoit brat, boring...

Then theres the theme song, gotta love that Laughing

I used to think the little sister was the cutest thing ever (I cant remember her name, the memory goes on you when you're this old).

Speaking of names, why the heck did they have to go and change the names, that's not right, half the audience is us oldies, so they should set the market for us too..

Okay I've complained enough Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Astroboy is back on TV Surprised I'll def check the new series out on thursday.

I rember being full moved as a kid watching one double ep with a robot with big horns that went around killing all these other cool robots to be the most powerful in the world or some crap. Twas very traumatic for me Razz

I just watched the opening scene off the .au site and remember thinking as a kid that the little round things he was carrying were icecreams Confused
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I would definitely have to say the older series was better and not for nonstalgic reasons. The first few episodes were sad as all hell, and each episode thereafter, even though not as emotive seemed a lot more 'human' than the new series. I get the feeling the new series was a money maker Smile

The new one is aimed at todays youth and obviously its going to change to suit its demographic, but I'm not in that demographic.. haven't been for a loooong long time. Hence why the old one still appeals.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Astro is on a 6:30ish am now *yawn*
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What happened to Astro's fave timeslot of 7:00?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That would be better, but I would still forget it was on, it's this old age thing...Speaking of old, I'll be going with out for for a month to buy myself the Special Edition set... Cool Not cheap but the nostalgia, I think is worth it Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I personally reckon it would've been pretty spiffy if they'd remade the eighties series, cel for cel with the new animation. then it would've had the heart, and the buffed up visuals!
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