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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:05 pm    Post subject: For those of you who are voting today. Reply with quote
Just remember that the Coalition have not done anything for anyone under the age of 35... so make your vote count. Vote Labor in the lower house and vote for the Greens in the Senate... or actually just for so that your preferences wont be going to the Coalition.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah and they also got us caught up in not one but two pointless wars.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Liberal is my enemy.. and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.. that's who I've already placed my vote for (voted this morning, got it out of the way).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the ONE name that stood out on the ballot paper....

was Guy Freemarajiuana

for that name alone, he scored a vote Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
err,

I kinda spite voted... - the labour party gave me a panphlet explaining how to vote for them... - Liberal was my preferance... but that panphlet was the final nail in labours coffin.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
my friend wanted to walk around the streets yelling at people to vote liberal. I told her someone would end up punching her in the face and it may or may not be me
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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err, I kinda spite voted...

Thankyou! Very Happy

And with me as Prime Minster I'll put a stop to the crackdown on kiddy porn, legalize prostitution, spam and get old people off the pension and into factories where they'll work under constant guard until they die.

And I'll blow up all of western suburbs of Sydney... cause nobody will miss it.

VOTE +1 FOR SPITE!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A lot of the groups on the senate ballot were just funny. "excise fuel price and beer", "legalise marijuana", "4-wheel drive and outdoor party" and probably some others.

My slogan for each campaign (granted this is my first federal election, but I've voted in state and council elections) is "I like their lies better". Razz

I followed the labour voting thingy *shrug* it made it easier than having to assign my preferences myself. And besides, the Citizens Electoral Council deserves to be #8 *nods* banning email and gambling.. what monsters.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
....I haven't registered yet...I'll get around to it one day....is there a penalty for not registering?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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....I haven't registered yet...I'll get around to it one day....is there a penalty for not registering?


yeah i always thought you got registered automatically...but when i turned up to the state elections i wasnt on the roll...kinda disappointed me.

You should register...but i tihnk the penalty only applies when you're registered, yet dont vote
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
afaik... no, but if you're registered, theres a penalty for not votin
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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err,

I kinda spite voted... - the labour party gave me a panphlet explaining how to vote for them... - Liberal was my preferance... but that panphlet was the final nail in labours coffin.



....eerrr... how could it be a final nail if you already decided? Tony Abbott is my federal member, i honest to god love that man, i think he is brilliant. But after speaking to him extensively about Liberal policies i just dont believe the Liberal party will ever get my vote.

oh btw it's LABOR, try and know the corpse whose nail you so poetically nailed, they're only the longest established political party in Australia.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I voted for labor and labor. Although Tony Windsor will win my seat of New England anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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oh btw it's LABOR, try and know the corpse whose nail you so poetically nailed, they're only the longest established political party in Australia.


Ha, knew it had to be one of the two.

I'll keep that in mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nah what I meant though....is there a penalty for not registering? Like the longer I leave it the more the penalties accrue?

So if I registered 20 years later, would I be charged for it?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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nah what I meant though....is there a penalty for not registering? Like the longer I leave it the more the penalties accrue?

So if I registered 20 years later, would I be charged for it?


pretty sure there isnt...YOULL BE A GHOST !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just voted. Voting is bad.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I live up the road from parliament house....we can resolve this problem....Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just got back from my local polling place.

I think that I spent more time beating pamphlet- people with a stick than I did actually voting.

I thought that it was not permissable to have vote soliciting within 150m of the polling place, or is that only in state/territory elections?

Anyhow, don't vote liberal.

My quote for this election is:
"Labour won the campaign, but Apathy won the Coalition the election"
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Power to the little dudes!

Mr. Green <-- Greens!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just got home from voting... my sister and I jumped over a broken fence and walked through knee-high grass on the school's oval just to avoid going through the front gate where the Pamphlet People live.

On the way home we were discussing the system... does anyone else think that just having your name marked off in a big book by some old person with a biro is, I dunno, organised enough? I always get the feeling that it's a little dodgy... especially since they don't ask for ID or anything.

I always decide who to vote for when I have the ballot paper in front of me... saves all that thinking Very Happy And I hate discussing politics with people, because it always seems to start an argument.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i'll be voting for latham. he's putting money into mental health, which is the field i'm studying.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
and they go "have you voted anywhere else today?"

any idiot will of course say no Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah the system is ****... i walked straight into another polling booth..actually had my name MARKED OFF and given ballot papers.... THIS IS AFTER i had already voted...

i stopped and told them what i had done (i lied about me writing an article for the uni paper...though i will now) and i asked them what they did to check that people were not voting twice and what penalties there and HOW THEY COULD EVEN ESTABLISH someone did it intentionally.

I could easily have said i was someone else since NO official forms of identifications are needed...


man... i suddent feel ill.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh... i voted FOR THE GREENS!!!!! why? my friend is running for them Very Happy

... and they're preferences goto Labor so yeah why not kill two birds with one stone Smile

oh i mean that in the Senate by the way, there is no way in hell my electorate will get rid of Abbott... we're a VERY SAFE LIBERAL SEAT....and my neighbour especially, we're the strongest supporters apparently...stupid fat cats.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
God damm it, I'm one year to young to vote, I really wanted to vote as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My grandma didn't want to vote, so I voted in her place. I voted for Labor for the lower house and labour in the senate.

Fortunatly my electorate is a Labor safe seat.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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God damm it, I'm one year to young to vote, I really wanted to vote as well.


ahh yeah that's how it was at the last election... i was about 4 months away
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My grandma didn't want to vote, so I voted in her place. I voted for Labor for the lower house and labour in the senate.

Fortunatly my electorate is a Labor safe seat.


you did legally right? Very Happy

Labor will win, if not this election then the next.

...i just cant believe Australian public opinion sometimes... people just dont give a **** that Howard dragged us throught the mud with the Iraqi 'war'...

Some of my friends from my conservative neighbour voted Liberal PURELY becuase they dont like Latham...what a stupid thing to say... they wont gimme a reason... just that they dont like him...

I have to admit i personally we, the Australian youth...or should i say the Australian voting public in general are amongst the most political ignorant in the world.

I mean when did you ever get taught how to analyses political parties and policies at School?... and to be honest at Uni it's all rather SOCIALIST haha.. so you dont even learn too much about it there either.

I encourage you all to find out how our country is run, after all i **** hate it when politicians forget who they're running it for. US AS A NATION!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm to young to vote, however can't wait till I can..... Fianally be heard and have a say in something......I'll prolly get blasted for this but I would of voted Liberal!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm to young to vote, however can't wait till I can..... Fianally be heard and have a say in something......I'll prolly get blasted for this but I would of voted Liberal!!


nah, i dont ever blast people for anything different like that. hehe.

What i'd like to do is ask you why and debate with you the reasons for your actions. Cause i cant change your opinion, only persuade you to see another side to your reasons.

So do tell me Smile why would you vote liberal?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My theory is.....Lil Johnny howard has been in government for two terms now... Australia is in a good way.... If Mark Latham becomes Prime Minister who knows what would happen!! personally, i hate both of these choices, as I hate politicians and hate talking aboout politics as it always causes arguements.....but thats my opinion.... Also no matter who we have in government, there gonna kiss George Bush's ass, so we're still gonna be Mini-America no matter whos in power!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[EDIT] You responded while I was posting Embarassed

Anyways, if you hate both Howard and Latham, you can always vote for a third party candidate? Say the greens or the Democrats or something like that. Also if you are so worried about one of their leaders running the country you can be pretty safe that a third party will pretty much never win an election.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Also no matter who we have in government, there gonna kiss George Bush's ass, so we're still gonna be Mini-America no matter whos in power!!

That's if George Bush's arse is still in office for it to be kissed.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My theory is.....Lil Johnny howard has been in government for two terms now... Australia is in a good way.... If Mark Latham becomes Prime Minister who knows what would happen!! personally, i hate both of these choices, as I hate politicians and hate talking aboout politics as it always causes arguements.....but thats my opinion.... Also no matter who we have in government, there gonna kiss George Bush's ass, so we're still gonna be Mini-America no matter whos in power!!


you know i completely understand what you mean, and yes haha politics is the best way to start an argument Very Happy

With Australia being in a good way, i agree with that, but i dont necessarily agree with what the Liberals will tell you that its all them.

Cause let's look at public services, Health, Education in the last 8 years of the Coalition government have seen systematic attacks and have had huge cuts. I dont mind paying for university i'll be honest, i think i should...but at least make it affordable... and it's actually International Law that governments provide FREE education...though i'm more pragmatic to say that's not always necessary... oh dont get me started on secondary school funding Very Happy

It's true, Mark Latham is new, WHO KNOWS what will happen? same could be said of John Howard. WHO KNEW that he would break his promise on NO GST? Who knew he would be heartless and refuse refugees and turn it into an election winning issue? Who knew he would cut health spending and education for Australians? Who knew he WOULD NOT ratify the Kyoto protocol? Who knew he would goto war on a completely false premise? and who he knew he would be gutless to apologise like the British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

I hope you see my point.

I know it if i vote for Latham and he gets elected, he will do things DIFFERENTLY to Howard. Economic management wise there really isnt much difference between Labor and Liberal Policies...i'm serious...and Labor have had a reputation to be innovators in economic policy. Australia was a world first when in the 80s the Hawke government decided to drop trade tariffs for domestic industries. NO ONE ELSE in the world at that stage had done what Australia did.

So i find it laughable when the Coalition insists on Labor economic mismanagement when let's face it, without the condition that Labor left them in, the Coalition themselves wouldnt be in such good shape.

Believe in the Minor parties System, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PREFERENTIAL VOTING SYSTEM IN THE SENATE!! Vote for minor parties in the senate that go against the Party whose policies you dont like.

The problem with the lower house is often, in a safe Liberal seat like mine,
it's hard to change results. And that's actually a problem, the Parties dont give a **** about SAFE SEATS, it's the marginal seats they campaign for... that's why i laugh at people who vote on party loyalties rather than becoming more aware of the issues and deciding to vote up that education.

Okay i've ranted enough. Sorry, i'm sick of the way we young people are left out of the political process.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh btw the comment about Mini America no matter is false.

The Foreign Policies of the two major parties are quite different.

In the early 90s, Keating had from his years in Hawke's cabinet realised the need to establish a relationship with Asia, since the region consists some of the worlds fastest growing economies in the world.

HOWARD realises this too, but IDEOLOGICALLY as a LIBERAL Prime Minister he redirected the focus back to America, (USA and UK were our BIGGEST aims in F.P. from the First World War till the 80s really, well the USA were, Australia pretty much ditched UK after they failed to assist during the Japanese threat in WWII) Howard's foreign policy can be described as
ASIA FIRST, BUT NOT ASIA ONLY.

It's historical that every Liberal Prime Minister have always courted Americans, and even Labor Prime Ministers too, but it was Gough Whitlam (Labor) whom set the precedent by his diplomacy with Communist China.

America put simply is an important ally, but i think Howard bit off more than he could chew with the FTA... the free trade agreement is barely a fair trade agreement.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My theory is.....Lil Johnny howard has been in government for two terms now... Australia is in a good way.... If Mark Latham becomes Prime Minister who knows what would happen!!

don't tell me you got sucked in by his ad campaign Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Princess_ Bijou wrote:
My theory is.....Lil Johnny howard has been in government for two terms now... Australia is in a good way.... If Mark Latham becomes Prime Minister who knows what would happen!!

don't tell me you got sucked in by his ad campaign Laughing


hehe dont laugh, i'm sure most of Australia have. I have to say, whoever did that campaign should be very proud of themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmm...

After reading Princess_Bijous post, i'm going to guess she is a young person, perhaps voting in her first federal election. Why? Because Howard has been in since 1996 - since I was 13. That means Howard has been in for the better part of our politcal awareness lives. I think this is a large part of why young people are taking the 'why change' attitude - because they haven't known better. Our parents, especially those that remember prime ministers like Gough Whitlam and Bob Hawke, probably have a more balanced view of the election campaign.

edit: Whoops, shes too young to have voted at all. Teach me for not checking posts Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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hmmm...

After reading Princess_Bijous post, i'm going to guess she is a young person, perhaps voting in her first federal election. Why? Because Howard has been in since 1996 - since I was 13. That means Howard has been in for the better part of our politcal awareness lives. I think this is a large part of why young people are taking the 'why change' attitude - because they haven't known better. Our parents, especially those that remember prime ministers like Gough Whitlam and Bob Hawke, probably have a more balanced view of the election campaign.


yeah i was 12 at the time, so my view isnt perfectly balanced, most things i know through reading journals and researching for my uni work and my thesis.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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hehe dont laugh, i'm sure most of Australia have. I have to say, whoever did that campaign should be very proud of themselves.

That's more of reason to laugh ... laugh at the gullibity of the general population. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I voted Green in both houses. I hope the incumbent Green in our electorate gets his seat back, he's been doing a great job representing us. If our seat goes back to being a safe Labor seat like it was for 49 years before our by-election in 2002, we'll just end up being ignored by both major parties again and that sucks. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I voted Green in both houses. I hope the incumbent Green in our electorate gets his seat back, he's been doing a great job representing us. If our seat goes back to being a safe Labor seat like it was for 49 years before our by-election in 2002, we'll just end up being ignored by both major parties again and that sucks. Razz


haha i voted greens for both too. And too right about your last sentence.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I voted Green/Green, preferencing Democrats 2nd and Labor 3rd. Coalition was the last possible place before the Crazy Christian Right (a.k.a Family First) and Pauline Hanson.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I will sacrifice a green seat in exchange for a labor government in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PregnantBob wrote:
TheHeadSage wrote:
My grandma didn't want to vote, so I voted in her place. I voted for Labor for the lower house and labour in the senate.

Fortunatly my electorate is a Labor safe seat.


you did legally right? Very Happy


Nope, I'm too young. My grandma just gave me the form and I ticked the boxes. So technicaly she voted.

Shinannth wrote:
If our seat goes back to being a safe Labor seat like it was for 49 years before our by-election in 2002, we'll just end up being ignored by both major parties again and that sucks.


Thats pretty much my seat. We are a safe Labor seat with a swing of about 7-10%. The amusing thing is, that unless there is an election we DO NOT SEE the candidates. They do nothing! Absolutely nothing! The only reason I know who the Labor candidate is, is because his ugly mug is on a poster thats down the road.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am in adelaide. My voice is important Very Happy .

I voted greens for both though. Because I am a left wing loonie . Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anthony Green, the political analyst for the ABC called it a Liberal win about 20 minutes ago with only about 10-5 percent of the total vote counted.

Summary:

- If you were the incubent (Lib or ALP) you got more votes.
- Tasmanians don't like their own trees, and don't think $800 million for approx 8000 jobs ($100k each) isn't much*
- Greens got lots of votes (comparitively).
- Democrats are dead. Aden Ridgeway, Andrew Bartlett and Natasha (probably all that's left of them) have a hell of a lot of work to do.
- It appears that the Liberals campaign worked... that a vote for ALP would increase interest rates and that M. Latham is too ??? to be prime minster.

*What the hell does the average logger get paid???
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is a dark day for the Rebellion.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
indeed, go libs!
its not over yet but....
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