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Pug_Valheru
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Driving home from work today I saw a pretty damned horrible car crash right before my eyes and it wasn't until I got home that I realised I felt...nothing. I pretty much just drove around the wreck in the middle of the road, had a bit of a look see and kept right on driving. It wasn't till I got home that I realised that was sitting right on the edge of depraved indifference.

Is violence in anime really desencortising?

I had a think about this this afternoon and I have to strongly admit that since getting addicted to anime not only am I, I guess, desenceortised, but I also realised that my opinion of women - young women mainly - has deteriorated. Not that I think badly of women, but very much the oposite. The cute kinkyness and sometimes downright sexy themes depicted in most anime is in my opinion, very warping.

Does anime create perverts? Or are perverts just attracted to anime...I dont know. One thing I do know is that now I've realised my brain is rotting, I am going to start thinking differently again-normally...if that is possible without limiting my anime intake. If I cant think normally again without limiting anime intake then I dont care. I'd rather be a weird perverted Otaku than a normal guy who doesn't like anime.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Television and video games in general have desensitised me to just about everything.

The only thing anime has desensitised me to that I wasn't already was cartoon fan service.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I blame 4chan. I really do. I'm so desensitised to everything, I shock myself. Guro, scat porn, blood and guts, nothing fazes me. It doesn't mean I don't have a moralistic reaction to things (ie torturing cats), I just... Don't flinch. And it's entirely 4chan's fault. I'm pretty sure I've dropped some IQ points, too. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
To take a quote from Serial Experiments Lain (ironic, I know):
"We just saw a guy kill himself tonight, and yet we're all acting as if it was just something we saw in a movie". I'm not sure if anime has made me a pervert, or if it's just brought out the inner pervert (I've got this whole, pervert zen thing happening) but I do know I now think very differently about panties since I started watching anime Very Happy Let's not forget about that otaku in Japan who killed and ate young girls and had an apartment filled with hentai and anime either.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueenSaiyan wrote:
I blame 4chan. I really do. I'm so desensitised to everything, I shock myself. Guro, scat porn, blood and guts, nothing fazes me.


I think you're just hanging around in the wrong bits of 4chan.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
my opinion of women - young women mainly - has deteriorated. Not that I think badly of women, but very much the oposite. The cute kinkyness and sometimes downright sexy themes depicted in most anime is in my opinion, very warping.


I'm not entirely sure what you mean there, whether you think of younger girls as being more attractive than those your own age, or whether you've lost respect or w/e for them, but I've found myself simply un-attracted to what I suppose are 'sexy' people. Make-up, short skirts, all those sorts of features I simply disapprove of, imo, there's little attractive about them. There's a pretty common theme with all my favourite anime characters - Shinobu (Love Hina), Nodoka (Negima), Mayu (Elfen Lied), they're all cute, young things. The only girlfriend I've ever had was exactly the same, really petite.
I'm blaming anime entirely for that, although I'm not sure yet if it's a trait that I dislike. I'm only 16, so it's okay at the moment, but I dread what I'm going to be like if this keeps up as I get older, and 'petite' simply stops being an adjective describing those around me.

I don't know, I've always been pretty sensitive to violence and stuff, and anime hasn't changed me there, but my view of / taste in females has changed.

Sound odd? Well, heck, it's an odd topic.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HimuraBattousai wrote:
QueenSaiyan wrote:
I blame 4chan. I really do. I'm so desensitised to everything, I shock myself. Guro, scat porn, blood and guts, nothing fazes me.

I think you're just hanging around in the wrong bits of 4chan.

4chan is in itself the wrong bits of the internet though! XD But /b/ is the only wrong bit I go to, yes, and it is hilarious. My poor IQ. T_T
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
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People have asked themselves this over video games, anime, movies, comics, playing cowboys & indians...

It's much simpler, and more correct, to blame our parents generation for creating a world that has such horrible things to begin with.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueenSaiyan wrote:
It doesn't mean I don't have a moralistic reaction to things (ie torturing cats), I just... Don't flinch.


For me it was the complete opposite. when i first watched Elfen Lied, and the scene with the Puppy and was mentaly horrified that someone would do that and then i heard, no more than a day latter, that someone had killed a cat with a shovel for no reason other than for the pleasure of it. i was a wreak for the next few days, not being able to think about anything else. even now i still think about it and wonder at the why of it all.

so for me with violence it has worked in the other direction to u Pug_Valheru and QueenSaiyan.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes it does!! That is all!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wouldnt just blame anime. Its everything that has desensitized you. The News with its bloody aftermath scenes from bombings in the middle east, Violent movies, Videogames, 4chan if you go there. I think anime would pay a small role in the desensitizing process. Its really violent sometimes but its always so unrealistic that you end up laughing it off.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would have doubted anime could have such an influence. Although I guess it depends on what you watch.

I was born a pervert, I'll die one, with or without the help of anime, thankyou. -o-

Gaz wrote:
Make-up, short skirts, all those sorts of features I simply disapprove of, imo, there's little attractive about them.

I couldn't agree more. Sexy is not good. Not good I say!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
its a combination of everything, movies, TV, news plus everything else in between there really is no one culprit, as long as you watch TV movies, play games listen to music (dependant on wat type of music) and so on, you will eventually become desensitised
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was indifferent to basically any "catastrophe" you can name over the past 5 years. Why? Because it didn't directly affect me and ergo, my care factor never existed.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think anime has desensitised me about some stuff like for example if I ever see a mecha, catgirls, magic, aliens and androids I don't think I would be so shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It isn't our entertainment and so on that de-sensitises us. Rather it is simpler to say that if we were to feel for every little thing that happened we'ld all be emotional wrecks. If one of your family or friends is in a car crash then i'm sure you would not be de-sensitised to this.
It is just that we only have a capacity for only so much empathy. So we tend to block out things just so we can continue to function.
That's why I say that anime and games and tv can't be blamed for de-senstisation, but maybe for changing tastes.. I can't really say for sure..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gai Daigouji wrote:
I was indifferent to basically any "catastrophe" you can name over the past 5 years. Why? Because it didn't directly affect me and ergo, my care factor never existed.


I think you hit the nail on the head right there. And it's not only anime fans who are affected by this sort of apathy; I'm pretty sure most people in the modern world feel the same way. I personally don't think that watching anime contributes to indifference to other people's suffering any more than any other form of media; it depends a lot on what sort of person you were beforehand, and the factors that contributed to you being that way (ie upbringing, social environment etc).

Anyway Pug_Valheru, if you're so worried about being as apathetic as you are, surely it's actually a sign that you're not as apathetic as you think you are, right? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Evo wrote:
It isn't our entertainment and so on that de-sensitises us. Rather it is simpler to say that if we were to feel for every little thing that happened we'ld all be emotional wrecks. If one of your family or friends is in a car crash then i'm sure you would not be de-sensitised to this.
It is just that we only have a capacity for only so much empathy. So we tend to block out things just so we can continue to function.
That's why I say that anime and games and tv can't be blamed for de-senstisation, but maybe for changing tastes.. I can't really say for sure..


But if your naturally empathic, like me, then some things will get to you more

when 9/11 happened at first i was like wow, then in shock to a certain degree and really all i did was just watch the stuff that was shown on tv but that only lasted for that day or 2

when the tsunami happened i wasnt as shocked or anything maybe because it was a natural thing where 9/11 it was people who did it, and after a while seeing all the stuff going on about the tsunami for like a couple weeks after is like yeah its sad that happened but im sick of seeing it on TV
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think we are more desensitized than previous generations.

In the past, the sheer volume of information about suffering, death etc available was limited both in quantity and quality (I mean visual impact). No one alive today can avoid seeing many thousands of real people either dead or dying.

We don't react with surprise because we expect it. It is the way the world is and has always been. We just see it on a wider scale.

When these things happen in our circle of influence then we respond with compassion and emotion.

We are certainly not desensitised to death in the way the people of the ancient, medieval and early modern worlds were. We don't confront the deaths of so many in our immediate circle any where near as much.

As for losing brain cells great literature and film has always been obsessed with death, suffering and human evil. Anime is no different it explores human themes. We use it at whatever level both to entertain and to explore the world in which we live.

In a world of sexualised images we should think about the effects on children and on our views of gender relationships. Maybe the shock value of some anime makes us rethink what we take for granted.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i don't think anime or games can really desensitize you. I mean seriously, who walks away from playing a game or watch an anime and wants to re-enact their favourite part!? I mean, if you are doing this, grow up!
Hmmm yes lets go around and punch people to make their heads explode (ala Fist of the north star). or wait, lets re-enact a scene from Doom3! you be the demon and i'll be the marine, just let me get my shotty.

The news is more desensitizing, because it's REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whenever something "shocking" happens everyone reacts and I just stand there and end up saying something real smart ass a few seconds later XD

So did anime do this to me? I honestly don't know...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My brain should be goo by now considering watching things (iunno, tv, films, whatever) and video games i consider "hobbies", but i honestly dont feel 'nothing' over something. Feeling 'indifference', i think, is better then feeling positive about a car carsh or death or whatever, thats truely when you've become decensortised.
Just remember theres a difference between fantasy and reality and dont live both at once /comment
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i doubt anime is to blame, as a society we have become desensitized and anime, video games and things of the like are just said to be at blame because such a large portion of youths (who many horrific things are done by and to) use such things for entertainment value.

but being desensitized isn't that bad, so u can stand things better whats wrong with that, better than being an old man or woman and not being able to stand the site of a car crash.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
benkenobi wrote:
i don't think anime or games can really desensitize you. I mean seriously, who walks away from playing a game or watch an anime and wants to re-enact their favourite part!? I mean, if you are doing this, grow up!
Hmmm yes lets go around and punch people to make their heads explode (ala Fist of the north star). or wait, lets re-enact a scene from Doom3! you be the demon and i'll be the marine, just let me get my shotty.

The news is more desensitizing, because it's REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YAY FOR MISSING THE POINT!

Desensitising and immitating are two completly diffrent things, immitating something is copying what you see were as being desenesitised would be seeing something horrific and it not really registering as being that horrific.

In my own personaly oppinion anime may have had a small part in corrupting me, the internet did it mainly though. Sorry but a combination of almost un restricted access to porn since I was in about year 2 **** me up
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Unrestricted access to porn is not in itself corrupting.

It's normally what goes with that, that makes the difference. If your aware of it then you are in control of it, and what you do about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think that Movies, TV sitcoms, News and the Internet corrupt us the most. IMHO Anime gives us guidelines to life to live by i.e Fruits Basket

Kids today are all growing up desencortised to everything because everytime they turn on the TV there is violence, porn, disaters, drugs and such. In today's world you can't get away from it. I wouldn't say it was just Anime.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
It wasn't till I got home that I realised that was sitting right on the edge of depraved indifference.


Maybe you've just seen one real car crash too many?

I've found anime is warping, but in a different way. When I travelled to Japan for the first time after becoming an anime fan, I spent a lot of time "noticing" stuff that I'd seen or heard in anime, but never in reality.

The "Toryanse" tune they play at intersections (outside the back entrance of Ueno station) was exactly like in S.E. Lain. The sound of the crickets in the mountains sounded exactly like in Evangelion. The mountain roads looked exactly like in Inital D. The narrow windy suburban streets looked exactly like in (insert your favourite romantic comedy here). The baseball playing fields down by the sides of rivers looked the same, the trains looked the same, the school uniforms, etc.

As I was taking a train from Tokyo to Yokohama, I remember thinking "This place looks like the setting of Slam Dunk". As I found out later, Slam Dunk is actually set in Kanagawa-ken. Very Happy Damn, they really are an observant lot...

Now I realise that what I'm talking about isn't actually "warping", but having only experienced that culture through animated shows, it was almost as if someone had say, built a real Springfield if you were a Simpsons fan. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Work rots my mind. Customer service has made me far more cynical, brutal, violent and lacking in morals than any amount of anime could ever do.

Anime did turn me into an obsessive catgirl fanboy however. You judge which is more damaging Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
InGram wrote:
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Stop always posting stuff that makes me get teary-eyed about Japan! *shakes fist*

Also, totally right about the car crash thing. Seeing something on the news enough means when you see it IRL you'll not really react at all, until it happens to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
For each and every person this is the key thing to keep in mind everyone reacts differently to various situations or events, reguardless as to wether they are friends or family or unknown people out in the street.
For an example last year there was an accident at the intersection near where a motorbike was struck by a car and the rider obvioulsy in pain.
Practically everyone knew about it in the street because it was the LOUDEST screech of brakes I had heard in a long time.
There was at least 5 or so people rushing to the accident in less then a min.
I personally was shocked to hear and see most of the aftermath, I didn't look like I was, but I was shocked on the inside.
It took them 5 mins to get the Ambulance and 10 to get the Police.
Until then one guy took up the habbit of re-directing the traffic so other drivers would know not to come this way.

Anywho even before anime I was never too concerned about everything that happened anime hasn't desensitized me.
It is as I said we all react and feel differently to everything that happens to us.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
From my perspective, anime isn't responsible for rotting my brain. If anything, it's the opposite by preserving my brain.

Anime helps relieves the stress that the world creates. We are all desensitived about one thing or other. For me, the news on tv almost seems unreal at times, but that's due to it having no immediate impact on my life.

If it was a car accident or something that I'm in the vicinity of and can help, then I would. That you didn't do that Pug, shows your own values are somewhat different to mine and you can't just use anime as an excuse. You could've stopped and if not able to help remove the victims, then at least direct traffic, call 000 and provide as much assistance as you could handle.

That's how I would've handled it.
If you can't separate anime girls and real life girls, then you're an idiot. You can't blame your treatment of women on anime. That's shear idioticity and again, shows your own values. Maybe it's the way you've always felt but has since come out of the closet.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
I spent more time thinking on this today (when you do nothing but push a lawnmower for nine hours a day you have alot of time to think and ponder) and after reading what some of you had to say I realised it's not just that I have been desenceortised- heck, everyone nowadays is it seems- but it seems almost as though I, and many others actually like or I guess find it interesting, exciting.

I recall a few weeks ago I got home from work and during dinner my old man says something like "hey! Should have seen this neat car crash I saw today!" and goes on telling me how these cars rear end each other and so on. Now my old man surely doesn't watch anime so it seems we are all desencortised by news and so forth. But maybe Anime takes that descencortising and moulds it into expectations, to a point when I WANT to see car crashed, death and destuction, and get a high from it.

Now that I think about it I remember something mum, my bro and me said when we were watching 9/11 live on the news as it happened. Mum says something like "might be another war" and i'm all like "bout time", and then we get into a discussion what would happen if there was a war and I was drafted off to fight. I guess mum was horrified by the concept but I personally was excited by the idea, and I dont really know why. I dont think i'd enjoy being shot at now that I think harder about it, and I dont htink i'd much enjoy KILLING, but still the thought of going off to war is....cool. Now that is caused by anime and movies for sure. The same thing with the Boxing day tsunamis. I wondered what i'd do if a tidal wave came and again thought it would be..."cool".

SO I think the news desencortises us, but anime maybe takes that further and we end up idolising killers and destruction.....like the whole Nevada-tan thing, I guess.

Gaz wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you mean there, whether you think of younger girls as being more attractive than those your own age, or whether you've lost respect or w/e for them,


No no what I mean is...I dont know what I mean. Hard to put to words. I guess what I mean is that I have come to expect girls to be cute and submissive with perfect curves and smooth skin, and to be showing panties all the time. And quite frankly it is a physical impossbility for any girl to be that perfect lol. Most girls have fat salulite and pimples and blemeshes a plenty and thats whats 'normal', but anime makes me think otherwise and I expect more from girls. Foolish I know. But anime has taken me to a stage where I wont be truely happy with any girl unless she is all that cuteness. Which also means as I get older like you said Gaz, the whole young cute thing will just become totally impossible and i'll most likely end up being that 60yr old pervert hanging around the school gates. All thanks to anime. Or maybe not....I can still change!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
I recall a few weeks ago I got home from work and during dinner my old man says something like "hey! Should have seen this neat car crash I saw today!" and goes on telling me how these cars rear end each other and so on. Now my old man surely doesn't watch anime so it seems we are all desencortised by news and so forth.


Maybe it runs in the family or since your old man thinks car crashes are normal, maybe you were brought up in the environment where car crashed weren't a big deal.

Pug_Valheru wrote:
But maybe Anime takes that descencortising and moulds it into expectations, to a point when I WANT to see car crashed, death and destuction, and get a high from it.


WTF Shocked, who the hell gets a high from death and destruction?

Pug_Valheru wrote:
...but still the thought of going off to war is....cool. Now that is caused by anime and movies for sure. The same thing with the Boxing day tsunamis. I wondered what i'd do if a tidal wave came and again thought it would be..."cool".


Confused


Pug_Valheru wrote:
SO I think the news desencortises us, but anime maybe takes that further and we end up idolising killers and destruction


Again WTF? Shocked

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i'll most likely end up being that 60yr old pervert hanging around the school gates. All thanks to anime.


I think these two emoticons represent exactly what I thought when I read that comment. Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i don't think anime or games can really desensitize you. I mean seriously, who walks away from playing a game or watch an anime and wants to re-enact their favourite part!? I mean, if you are doing this, grow up!


I would be more inclined to tell them to go to a Psychiatrist. Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Mr Waffle wrote:
Stop always posting stuff that makes me get teary-eyed about Japan! *shakes fist*


I forgot to mention the doppler-effect affected "ding ding ding" of level crossings. Sounds the same. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
but still the thought of going off to war is....cool.

Dude, I think you need to get out more.

Pug_Valheru wrote:
SO I think the news desencortises us, but anime maybe takes that further and we end up idolising killers and destruction.....like the whole Nevada-tan thing, I guess.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this quantum leap of logic.

About desensitising and society, I suppose I too believe that society is being desensitised to violence. I guess it's also my belief that it is the vast amount of information (whichever form it is in) that's able to be transmitted instantly around the World that's the major cause. However you are confusing two different issues here.

When I see a car crash nowadays, I don't feel much shock, I don't feel traumatised and I don't stand there and cry for the people inside (unless I know them). This is desensitisation. However I'd stop the f****ng car, get out and help them, this is what's called being civilised and having morals. It'd aid society as a whole if more people had them. You are confusing the 2. Desensitisation extends only to the point where you are no longer shocked by what happens around you. If you choose to drive on, that's a lack of morals and is governed by your individual character, not by what you watched on tv this Saturday. You're far to old for your character to be moulded and influenced by mere television shows and petty arcade games.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Violence and grotesque stuff wont faze me much anymore, but I would never hold anime accountable for that.

That said, I'm sure all of us has a breaking point, so anyone claiming "I'm desenstised" just because they saw stuff on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, I've seen a fair bit of extreme filth over the years (images and vids alike), but belive me, none of them compare to the real thing. Especially when some bad **** unfolds in front of your eyes. edit: Furthermore, most people won't realise this until they find out they suffer from PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) after an "incident".
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Pug_Valheru wrote:
stuff


I don't think you should watch so much anime. Seriously. Take up a sport, a hobby, anything. You need to spend more time with real people.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anime does not rot brains. Improper handling and storage rots brains. Only use clean implements, refrigerate after opening, and don't reheat more than once.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
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I guess what I mean is that I have come to expect girls to be cute and submissive with perfect curves and smooth skin, and to be showing panties all the time. And quite frankly it is a physical impossbility for any girl to be that perfect lol. Most girls have fat salulite and pimples and blemeshes a plenty and thats whats 'normal', but anime makes me think otherwise and I expect more from girls. Foolish I know. But anime has taken me to a stage where I wont be truely happy with any girl unless she is all that cuteness. Which also means as I get older like you said Gaz, the whole young cute thing will just become totally impossible and i'll most likely end up being that 60yr old pervert hanging around the school gates. All thanks to anime. Or maybe not....I can still change!


... So, do you actually socialise with other human beings or just spend your days posting to /l/? Razz (j/k) Seriously, What the guy with the Waffles said - get out, go to a bar, do something. I'm sure i enjoy anime girls as much as the next guy, but I'm still pretty sure im familiar with the concept of actual, real, breathing females whos eyes dont take up half their face...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
All these people claiming to be desenstized are full of ****, just because you have a higher tolerance to grotesque, non-personal imagery does not make you some kind of f*cking hero. Yes, I've gotten to a point where things like videos of people getting tortured and decapitated don't make me so much as flinch... and it disgusts me that I could do that. Society has degraded so much that violence and death are more socially acceptable that sex or nudity, WHAT THE HELL??! Daily I see parents who dont mind thier kids seeing a violent movie, but god forbid it should have a flash of tits or a sex scene. Our world has gone down the crapper so far that something natural is a bigger tabboo, than our worlds biggest problem.

Has anime changed my outlook on life? No, not in a postive or negative way, it is just an entertainment medium. I agree totally that the news has a bigger effect on desensitizing the youth of today. The modern family are sitting around the tv at dinner time, watching people starving and dying in a third world country and saying "gee thats a shame, want more mash billy?" without giving it so much as second though, at least *some* films try and depict a consequence for death.

The fact is, if violence to us is more natural than sex then we are a doomed moronic species.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
evaunit01 wrote:
All these people claiming to be desenstized are full of ****, just because you have a higher tolerance to grotesque, non-personal imagery does not make you some kind of f*cking hero. Yes, I've gotten to a point where things like videos of people getting tortured and decapitated don't make me so much as flinch... and it disgusts me that I could do that. Society has degraded so much that violence and death are more socially acceptable that sex or nudity, WHAT THE HELL??! Daily I see parents who dont mind thier kids seeing a violent movie, but god forbid it should have a flash of tits or a sex scene. Our world has gone down the crapper so far that something natural is a bigger tabboo, than our worlds biggest problem.

Has anime changed my outlook on life? No, not in a postive or negative way, it is just an entertainment medium. I agree totally that the news has a bigger effect on desensitizing the youth of today. The modern family are sitting around the tv at dinner time, watching people starving and dying in a third world country and saying "gee thats a shame, want more mash billy?" without giving it so much as second though, at least *some* films try and depict a consequence for death.

The fact is, if violence to us is more natural than sex then we are a doomed moronic species.


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All these people claiming to be desenstized are full of ****, just because you have a higher tolerance to grotesque, non-personal imagery does not make you some kind of f*cking hero. Yes, I've gotten to a point where things like videos of people getting tortured and decapitated don't make me so much as flinch... and it disgusts me that I could do that. Society has degraded so much that violence and death are more socially acceptable that sex or nudity, WHAT THE HELL??! Daily I see parents who dont mind thier kids seeing a violent movie, but god forbid it should have a flash of tits or a sex scene. Our world has gone down the crapper so far that something natural is a bigger tabboo, than our worlds biggest problem.

Has anime changed my outlook on life? No, not in a postive or negative way, it is just an entertainment medium. I agree totally that the news has a bigger effect on desensitizing the youth of today. The modern family are sitting around the tv at dinner time, watching people starving and dying in a third world country and saying "gee thats a shame, want more mash billy?" without giving it so much as second though, at least *some* films try and depict a consequence for death.

The fact is, if violence to us is more natural than sex then we are a doomed moronic species.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
To all the young in's saying they'll still like cute young girls when they grow up: As you get older, taller, more buff, you won't want innocent, sweet little girls. You'll want real women with big knockers and long, slender, muscular legs.

You only want young cute girls now because men need the woman to be physically more .... fragile? Than the men are.
I don't know. Some men want women who are submissive, others (like me) want someone who can fight back Smile

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No. I hate watching "non-consensual" scenes in hentai, yet i am de-sensitised to them.
But when i hear someone say that one of their friends was raped once, or when i see on the news a story about gang-rape, i get so fired-up and angry that i just want to beat the **** out of the rapists ... it goes right to my core ... i just can't comprehend their actions and want to destroy them for the pain they have caused.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
evaunit01 wrote:
but god forbid it should have a flash of tits or a sex scene

So what you’re saying is that once sex and titties are accepted on a social level like violence and killing, then our society will be saved Razz.

Agree with the desensitisation issue. People throw out “I’m desensitised” very much nowadays but the truth is they’re not. Society itself is becoming desensitised from the overexposure of violence in yada yada place, but in no way are people anywhere near totally desensitised to jack.
evaunit01 wrote:
Society has degraded so much that violence and death are more socially acceptable that sex or nudity

However you seem to think that society’s acceptance of violence is a modern thing, it’s not. I read a report long ago about how over the last 2 or 3 centuries society’s crime, and murder rate, have been pretty low compared to what they have been. It’s actually modern society that has been stating that it’s unacceptable for murder to be used as a solution to problems. I mean looking at the past you had blood feuds between families, you had murder being an acceptable way to rise up the ranks in so and so business, best way to deal with competitors was to kill them off, public torture and execution was used not only as a deterrent but for entertainment to the rich families and who could forget the gladiators dueling to the death for people’s enjoyment. So to say that Society has DEGRADED to the point where violence is acceptable is false. Violence has always been an accepted part of society and I really challenge you to name some time periods and proof to state otherwise.

Therefore, as it is my opinion that *partial* desensitisation due to overexposure from media sources is a modern phenomena, I fail to see how you can blame society’s acceptance of violence on desensitisation… if that is indeed what you are saying. Violence has always been a part of human society, just like every other species on the planet. There are many many reasons for the World going down the "crapper" without having to invent modern trends like this.

Furthermore you should not be disgusted if videos of people dying don't make you flinch. You should be disgusted if you start enjoying these videos... then you'd just be sick in the head Laughing .
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, anime rots our minds, but it still kicks A**!!!!.....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally, I was desensitized long before I started watching anime. Human beings, on the whole, are the most destructive and dangerous creatures on Earth. I learned this a long time ago, and seeing something tragic on TV just reinforces this fact.

evaunit01 wrote:
Society has degraded so much that violence and death are more socially acceptable that sex or nudity, WHAT THE HELL??! Daily I see parents who dont mind thier kids seeing a violent movie, but god forbid it should have a flash of tits or a sex scene. Our world has gone down the crapper so far that something natural is a bigger tabboo, than our worlds biggest problem...The fact is, if violence to us is more natural than sex then we are a doomed moronic species.

That is very correct. Some of the stuff (shows, toys, games, whatever) aimed at kids (DBZ is a most classic example) is full of, or encourages, violence, fighting and even death. It is even more interesting, and strangely funny, that parents do not want their children to behave like this, but show it to them anyway (makes me very much glad I don't have children).

evaunit01 wrote:
All these people claiming to be desenstized are full of ****, just because you have a higher tolerance to grotesque, non-personal imagery does not make you some kind of f*cking hero.

Nobody claims to be "high and mighty", as you seem to believe, but they are just stating that the world they have grown up in has shaped and changed how they see it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you think anime rots our minds? Reply with quote
Mr Waffle wrote:
It's much simpler, and more correct, to blame our parents generation for creating a world that has such horrible things to begin with.


WOW just as I was about to ignore this thread (guess I am a bit desensitised to topics on being desensitised) someone just has to go and make a brilliant quote! =D1
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That is very correct. Some of the stuff (shows, toys, games, whatever) aimed at kids (DBZ is a most classic example) is full of, or encourages, violence, fighting and even death. It is even more interesting, and strangely funny, that parents do not want their children to behave like this, but show it to them anyway (makes me very much glad I don't have children).

I'm very sceptical about this. While it is true that kids may exhibit some form of agression (which often results in rough play or play fighting), but I'd hardly consider such content as a major cotributor to violence in societly. Kids exhibiting violent behaviour often stems from deeper social issues surrounding their life, which is usually very complex and difficult to indentify for an "outsider". Some of these minorities may use violent media as an outlet, while others go to the extreme and use it as an example for their violent behaviour. But should we actually blame the content itself and use it as a scapegoat for some people's social dysfunction? I don't thinks so. Take away the violent media, the problem will be still there.

Furthermore, I don't belive that society is more desensitised to violence today compared to the past. If anything, I reckon on average we became more sensitised to a lot of things these days, especially if compare all the **** that went down in the past 2000 years of human history. If you think you're tough ****, try living during the time of Medieval Europe, or duing the Roman conquest.

On the other hand, if you think in the context of cinema history, it is true that our culture as accepts violent depictions more readily as a form of entertainment compared to, say, 50 years ago. Is that being desensitised? I don't know. I see it more as an acceptance, just like sex becoming more prominent and accepted in the mainsteam film industry.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Societys typical response to violent kids:

“Our kids are violent, help us sir!”
“It’s those sick video games, ban the violent ones. Now we can sit back and watch them mellow.”
“They’re still violent, sir!”
“Damn it, must be those blasted movies, ban them aswell!”
“It’s not working, what could have driven them to perform such acts of hatred.”
“*silent pondering* action figures”
“What?”
“Well it must be their action figures that drives them to perform such demonic acts”
“But…”
“Silence! Ban action figures, ban violent toys… ban their little green army men!”
“*sometime later* It didn’t work sir. Brave King Jimerio is still beating the snot out of Foul Emperor Boris and his demons, with his holy staff of smiting!”
“…King Jimerio?”
“That’s what little James is calling himself now, yes”
“Beatin-“
“He’s got the gear and everything. Made his cape out of an old curtain sir.”
“Beating Boris? Never heard of this Boris.”
“7 year old Bob actually.”
“Well why did-“
“Well Bob isn’t evil enough sir, had to be Boris…”
“And Jimerio?”
“Inspires intrigue sir.”
“Ahh…so King JAMES is pummel-”
“Brave King sir!”
“BRAVE king JAMES is laying the smackdown on FOUL Bo-”
“Emperor sir!”
“EMPEROR BOB and his dem-”
“Bob’s 2 sisters”
“…”
“You haven’t lived with them sir.”
“Fair enough. With the holy staff? And where did they get this holy staff.”
“Forest sir! More of a stick actually. Was just lying there. Quite big though, very sturdy.”
“Well why is it called a HOL-”
“Well the amount of times it’s been used to beat Foul Boris and his demons without breaking, makes us believe that it is imbued with magical powers sir!”
“Well yes… but Holy Staff of SMITING?”
“Aye yes sir! Very good at that I can say!”
“…”
“Uhhh But what an AWFUL sight it is sir, you must do something about these violent kids!”
“*Sigh*, I know what it is that has so possessed our innocent children and have turned them into creatures of the DAMNED!”
“Oh my God, sounds very impressive and evil sir. Tell us what it is and we shall BAN those too!”
“They say that it was the one evil that was so corrupt, that if released could destroy the very World we know. An evil so deadly that I dare not to even think of it’s name!”
“Well what is it sir?”
“Weren’t you listening. I said I DAREN’T think of it’s name!”
“Oooh sir, must be very evil indeed. How about you write it down without thinking sir, so I can read it without thinking of it and then ban it…and by Golly once it’s been banned noone will EVER think of it again!”
“Yes I believe it is for the best *scribbles down a word quickly*.”
“*Picks up paper*…….uhhh there’s been a mistake right sir?”
“No…terrible is it not?”
“Bu-”
“Enough to give you nightmares for weeks. A fearsome adversary indeed.”
“…Imagination?”
“DON’T say the name of the most feared demon. Ban it, ban it, release the souls of our possessed children.”
“Right sir, banning now sir!”
“*stumbles back in with his face a mess*. Good news sir, the banning was a success!”
“God, what happened to you?”
“Well, completely ordinary labourers child James, and his actually close friend Bob, combined with their 2 completely normal and quite real older brothers, to hit me repeatedly in the face with their normal forest sticks. We showed them sir. No imagination whatsoever!”
“Well yes but they’re still terribly violent.”
“Yes sir, any other ideas. If they were as successful as the last, we’ll have the problem fixed in no time sir!”

Sorry for that. I’m in a weird mood Razz.
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