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StorminNorman
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Internet Censorship: Libs will block filter in Senate Reply with quote
Stephen Conroy announces mandatory internet filters to protect children. (ABC News).

1996 called. They want their important political issues back.

I was secretly hoping that Labor's pre-election talk about "internet censorship" would turn out to be a non-core promise, but unfortunately this doesn't appear to be the case.

Aside from the fact that the plan is mostly unworkable, the arguments used ("it's to protect kids from child pornography" never mind that child pornography is already illegal) are pretty bogus.

I personally believe that this is the first step down the slippery slope to China-style Internet censorship. What does everyone else think?

(And for those who don't think this will affect them, don't come running to us when you can't post to /b/ anymore.)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Mandatory internet censorship to be implemented. Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
can't post to /b/ anymore.

Sounds like a positive to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doesn't really affect me, I don't post to /b/. I respect the rights of others to post to /b/ though. It would nearly be impossible to implement though. A blacklist? Now that would be interesting to see some government department keep up with all the URLs in the world of 'undesireable material'. A whitelist? We had one at school, and it was the most useless thing ever. Even the links provided by staff to do research that were allegedly 'unblocked', 9 times out of 10, were blocked. A keyword filter? We'll just see segmentation of words, just like spammers use to get around spam filters. And then there will be the inevietable black-market 'unfiltered ISP' connection.

It's like trying to ban cigarettes, or Prohibition in the Roaring 20s. It'll never work, it'll just feed the black market and make the actual act of stopping the undesireable stuff very difficult.

If they're looking for a surefire way to stifle the 'information highway of the 21st century', this is it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Senator Conroy says anyone wanting uncensored access to the internet will have to opt out of the service, and will work with the industry to ensure the filters do not affect the speed of the internet.

Second point; good. First point; bad. It should be the other way around, account holders should choose to opt-in, not be forced to opt-out.

I still say that this is more a parenting issue than a government issue though... although truth be told, the main reason this ticks me off is because of the hassle of having to opt-out just to get back to lurking /b/.

Although if Labor is making good on this intertube promise, then hopefully they'll be making good on greasing them up before to long.

Inniss' inner Conspiracy Theorist wrote:
Hmm, since one has to opt-out to get unfiltred internets, I wonder if that means you'll be automatically added to a list of people to more carefully track what sort of websites you're visiting...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
(And for those who don't think this will affect them, don't come running to us when you can't post to /b/ anymore.)


Warning: massive ignorance incoming.

What the feck is /b/? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What the feck is /b/? Confused

Trust me, ignorance is bliss.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Right, we'll leave it at that then. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Inniss' inner Conspiracy Theorist wrote:
Hmm, since one has to opt-out to get unfiltred internets, I wonder if that means you'll be automatically added to a list of people to more carefully track what sort of websites you're visiting...


That's what my inner paranoid conspiracy theorist is thinking.

Kero-chan wrote:
Warning: massive ignorance incoming.

What the feck is /b/? Confused


Those who don't know are better off not knowing.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What the feck is /b/? Confused

4chan.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
George wrote:
[..]


4chan.

I ruined his life.


I don't get it...

I'm with kero-chan =\ what is /b/ ?! Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Honestly, if you like your sanity you're best of not knowing what /b/ is...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Honestly, if you like your sanity you're best of not knowing what /b/ is...


But its out of curiousity!!

I even tried to google it.. didn't really work, all I got was stuff about the letter B in wikipedia Confused

Wikipedia wrote:
B is the second letter in the Latin alphabet. Its name in English is spelled bee or occasionally be (pronounced /biː/), plural bees....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guys this is about internet censorship. Any further posts regarding /b/ will be deleted without prejudice.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Heard about it on the news. I just think its a load of crock

it'd work better if you wanted the option of filtering, like a family for instance.

No doubt ISP's would charge you through the nose to get your connection unfiltered
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No doubt ISP's would charge you through the nose to get your connection unfiltered

Gods I hope not. Well, I have no doubt Telstra would, but I hope real ISPs don't.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
While I agree its good in principal this censoring may be hurtful in the long run. I doubt though that we shall see a kind of censorship that is present in China. It should not be a major problem for anyone and really is only being implimented because it is a good idea and to help gain the consevative vote next election.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I doubt though that we shall see a kind of censorship that is present in China.


That's what everyone says when they're at the top of a slippery slope. And somewhere in the middle. And some people still say it at the bottom when they're in denial.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's what everyone says when they're at the top of a slippery slope. And somewhere in the middle. And some people still say it at the bottom when they're in denial.


Of course, this isn't Itchy and Scratchy or the Winter Olympics, the mere existence of the slippery slope isn't enough to mandate that we freestyle-luge down it to comedic or medal-winning effect.

Which reminds me... that's Shaoran, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's what everyone says when they're at the top of a slippery slope. And somewhere in the middle. And some people still say it at the bottom when they're in denial.


By the same token, when the speed limit in residential areas was reduced from 60 to 50, where were the slippery-slopists saying, "The real objective here is to eventually force cars off the road!" The same could be said about that very touchy topic of voluntary euthanasia, with the slippery-slopists saying, "The real objective here is to help legalise murder!" Sometimes we have to take a chance on a change to see whether it works out for the better. I mean, it's not like we're entrenching it in our Bill of Rights or anything. (Yes, I am aware that Australia does not have a Bill of Right encorporated into its Federal constitution). If it doesn't work, it's a very simple matter to annul the legislation and remove the ISP-based filters. THEN all the people who said that it wouldn't work can say 'I told you so' as much as they like, as loudly as they like. Heck, I'll even supply the megaphone.

And if you're worried about 'what if we'll be watched more closely', if you're worried about that if you opt for an unfiltered connection, you really shouldn't be looking at what you're looking at. I know this is going to sound very 1984, but if you're not doing anything illegal, what are you trying to hide? That's not to say that I agree with the concept of 'we're watching you', but if the objective here is to find people who are looking for, say, child pornography, the objective would be achieved.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is good and all but weren't their programmes already to stop children from accessing harmful websites?
If you ask my I'm fully blamming the parents in the end because they should know about this crap and should do something about it before it's too late.
Seriously, if I had kids I would use filters to stop my kids clicking on websites that are X rated or I would be by their side and observe what they're looking at.
It doesn't take that much to pay a little more attention to what their children are doing and do something about it instead of complaining to the government about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nargun wrote:
Which reminds me... that's Shaoran, isn't it?


Sort of close, but no cigar. Shaolin.

Soul Master Kaze wrote:
And if you're worried about 'what if we'll be watched more closely', if you're worried about that if you opt for an unfiltered connection, you really shouldn't be looking at what you're looking at. I know this is going to sound very 1984, but if you're not doing anything illegal, what are you trying to hide?


I don't need to have anything to hide to want to not have people looking over my shoulder all the time.

Or put another way, surely you wouldn't object to someone stalking you 24/7, as you have nothing to hide, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
anime_queen wrote:
This is good and all but weren't their programmes already to stop children from accessing harmful websites?

There are, though with people being cheap these days, they dont want to pay for it


anime_queen wrote:
If you ask my I'm fully blaming the parents in the end because they should know about this crap and should do something about it before it's too late.


I think it's more a matter of education, cause some people are oblivious when it comes to the internet
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HimuraBattousai wrote:
Sort of close, but no cigar. Shaolin.


That's the one.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HimuraBattousai wrote:
Or put another way, surely you wouldn't object to someone stalking you 24/7, as you have nothing to hide, right?


Usually people who stalk others have an ulterior motive. The people who would be doing the looking over the shoulder would have to conform to the Privacy Act and the Telecommunications Act and other like legislation. And it wouldn't be as obtrusive as someone looking over your shoulder, you wouldn't be able to see the person, it'd just be one of those hidden mechanisms. ...Yes, I know I'm digging myself a hole, but I'm trying to see the good in what they're trying to do. It's not like we're being forced into 'We are going to have mandatory filtering and there is no opt-out option', we do still have a choice as to whether we want filtering. It's not a half-baked idea, they've put at least some thought into it.

speedfreek19 wrote:
There are, though with people being cheap these days, they dont want to pay for it


Which is why the Federal Government, in their 'OMG this is an election issue quick let's do something' frenzy, supplied a free filter. Which a 5 year old girl managed to deactivate in 15 minutes.

anime_queen wrote:
If you ask my I'm fully blamming the parents in the end because they should know about this crap and should do something about it before it's too late.


You know, there's a developmental thing that my mate's girlfriend told me about where, after about the age of 40, the impulse to learn new skills diminishes. This means that adults above said age need to put more of an effort in to learn the same skills, hence why kids do things on computers more easily. Also, my dad who has had specialist training in computing, needs me to do some things for him, even though he's been using computers since the days of the walk-in computers, there were two of them at his university. My mum, on the other hand, congratulated me for my expertise when I uploaded photos from her camera to the computer, a 5 minute task which she told me would have taken her at least an hour.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that when I leave home, I'll be getting calls every week or so to come and do something on the computer for my parents.

In other words, a lot of parents don't have a clue what their kids are doing on the internet, and upon finding out that their kids have been up to no good, in place of blaming themselves for not taking an interest and preventing (potentially) psychological harm to their children, they look around for someone to blame. I've heard some pretty interesting stories from the CFA RECC personnel about people ringing up 000 to ask whether they can light their barbeque on a TFB day, or people ringing 000 to say that they see smoke. The 'smoke' incident was last year, when a good part of Victoria was covered in smoke, and my dad got on local radio saying, "Please don't call 000 to say that you can hear smoke. We know."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And it wouldn't be as obtrusive as someone looking over your shoulder, you wouldn't be able to see the person, it'd just be one of those hidden mechanisms.


Not being able to see the person doesn't make me feel any better about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
what a dumb FAJOINA

this filter trash never works, we had it at school and it is **** it blocks out a bunch of government websites for crying out loud why not come through on some other election promises like the claiming computers on tax and the awesome broadband one, that way these 6 yr old kids can actually stream these pornsites at a decent rate without forking out a ****load haha, no i'm just kidding. I have never stumbled across any porn sites or **** like that when browsing the web its just going to be a superficial effort to please the technological illiterate generation that there kids are safe and that the government is doing something when really it will just be a waste of funds. Someone please convince these people that half their kids probably didn't come across these websites by accident.
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AS long as i can still getz the boobies off the internets.

if not, then there is trouble/.
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AS long as i can still getz the boobies off the internets.

if not, then there is trouble/.


You know, U fucniugn fell like bobbies right now fom a partcualar girl btu she's not here Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And if you're worried about 'what if we'll be watched more closely', if you're worried about that if you opt for an unfiltered connection, you really shouldn't be looking at what you're looking at. I know this is going to sound very 1984, but if you're not doing anything illegal, what are you trying to hide?

And what of those who commit (arguably) victimless minor crimes?

I like to think I'm very law-abiding compared to a lot of net users, but I still don't like the idea of my activities being more closely monitored. I'm just paranoid that way.
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And what of those who commit (arguably) victimless minor crimes


Fine, en guarde. Name a victimless crime. Any victimless crime, any at all, from any of the States or Territorys' Crimes or Summary Offences Acts.
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Fine, en guarde. Name a victimless crime. Any victimless crime, any at all, from any of the States or Territorys' Crimes or Summary Offences Acts.

Thus why I added the arguably. And as much as I'd like to debate why the few crime/s I may (or may not) commit are victemless, board rules prohibit me from doing so.

But my debate would go somewhere along the lines of, the crime itself may have a victim, but I personally provide compensation to the victim at a later date. Doesn't make the crime right, but from my viewpoint there has been no loss in the end.

On-topic; this is all just paranoia anyway, and at least there is an opt-out option, but I still think it's ridiculous that the filtering is there until you opt-out, and not the other way around. It's probably because it's going to be set-up in this manner that I'm paranoid.
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I get the odd feeling this is just Labor appealing to the minnority or masses who want to see the internet a little more safer for their kids to roam around when they don't have work.
A curious thought though if all members of a household are above 18 does that still mean we get filtered content or are we not on that list?

I personally don't think this'll work very, it's a scheme to just keep people happy nothing serious to the level of communist like China and their monnitoring of the internet to a very high level.

If they charge for filtering that would be annoying though.
Eh I'm leaning to this being a half baked stunt and nothing more serious really.
I mean sure the parents can rest easy now your internet have filters to block out "youtube" or "4chan" for examples so kids can't access inappropriate material, when in fact the program could just be a dud or a decoy and barely do anything, only on extreme level content websites.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gotta love the China like policies being adopted
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Knew they were going to do this. What I object to most is thst as an adult I'm being treated like a child. I'm opting out as soon as the option becomes avalible. Filters don't work, never have. I've seen what they do at work. They hate Japanese sites, that's for sure. They don't like left-leaning stuff either.

You've also got this insanity from Labor. Now, forget the moral issues that come up with suicide, euthanasia and anorexia etc. I'm just appalled that they would do this. Do they really think that by blocking these websites and other content magically people will be not effected by this stuff? Regardless of whether or not you agree or don't with people's viewpoints, what right does the goverment have to stifle debate and censor people's opinons and ideas? It's like they're the thought police. It's pretty frightening.

I am going to write a letter to the local Labor MP. Look, you may laugh but this is how we got here; mostly Christian lobbists are to blame for this stuff. People like the Australian Family Association, Australian Christian Lobby and Steve Fielding ahve been banging on about this crap from years. Why not use the same tactics they use?

The EFA and Refused Classification websites are great resouces for the detail of what is going on in Labor's censorship plans. Note: Refused Classification can be NSFW a bit at times.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Gotta love the China like policies being adopted


Oh, go to buggery.

The american Internet Libertarian rides in to save the day! Presumably with a battalion of USMC to "restore democracy" or some such self-deluding nonsense too. I mean, jeez mate, your credibility on this caper's about, well, root-all; take the hint and listen before you make yourself look like an idiot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The EFA and Refused Classification websites are great resouces for the detail of what is going on in Labor's censorship plans. Note: Refused Classification can be NSFW a bit at times.


Both these sites should be on the bookmarks list of every madboarder. Refused Classification is a particularly great resource when informing people of classification decisions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Basically we'll have the classification system applied to the internet:
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310907

Web sites that are "classified" as either MA15+ or R18+ will need an age gate to verify the visitor's age. It will be in the form of submitting CC information or something equivalent to the web site. R18+ sites will need to retain such info for up to 2 years. Obviously, all X18+ stuff and above will be automatically banned. Game sites that may be considered above MA15+ will be probably get a RC rating (that is my speculation).

It's a great way to complicate things on the admin side of things, and not to mention to kill traffic to your site. I mean, who the f*ck would want to submit confidential CC info to a random site just to view trivial M15+ content? Not me.

And if you relocate the site overseas and still doesn't comply with the above requirements, the site will get blacklisted at the ISP level. These rules also apply to sites that provides nothing but links. For example, a torrent tracker site could be categorised in the same fashion, even though it does not contain material that is either MA15+, R18+ or X18+.

It's all about in the name of "saving the Children", of course. What about encouraging parents to say "no" to their children once in a while?


And those who go on about not wanting to see /b/ are missing the point. I don't want to see it either, but the new regulations cover a much broader type of content, some of which I consider fairly harmless.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bah I hope they do it the way I suspected, in other words if people in one household are all above age 18.
I don't want to have do something to give out personnal info to verify who I am and all that stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What other things besides pornographic material would be on the blacklist?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mad Anime Fan wrote:
Bah I hope they do it the way I suspected, in other words if people in one household are all above age 18.
I don't want to have do something to give out personnal info to verify who I am and all that stuff.


but its not like they can monitor that, i mean ISP's don't have a list of which household has over 18's and which has under 18's, legally they have to assume atleast one person is over 18 and nothing more

so its going to be everyone having this not just households with under 18's
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What other things besides pornographic material would be on the blacklist?

Any sites that would not comply with the age gate implementation, I suppose.

Say for example, a legit website decides to legally stream videos rated M15+. If they don't have an age gate and won't comply with a cease and desist notice, then it will be blacklisted.

Having said that, it will be quite difficult to police the Internet in such fashion, and most likely end up in a too hard basket. One could also start using encryption protocols such as Tor for internet access, which would be difficult to intercept and filter effectively.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mm.. well obviously if this goes ahead, its gonna cover quite a lot of the internet, but that pretty much means our home PCs are going to be pretty much like using school PCs where over half the sites that are used, even for studies, are blocked.

Plus, I'm sure there are assignments and things in school that ask students to research the effects of things like anorexia, how are they going to research those now?

and are they also going to burn all the books that have the word anorexia in them?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Plus, I'm sure there are assignments and things in school that ask students to research the effects of things like anorexia, how are they going to research those now?

No, I think the proposal is to block sites that actually promote anorexia as opposed to sites that being informative about the condition.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Plus, I'm sure there are assignments and things in school that ask students to research the effects of things like anorexia, how are they going to research those now?

No, I think the proposal is to block sites that actually promote anorexia as opposed to sites that being informative about the condition.


wait.. there are sites that promote anorexia?

My bad. never came across one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Guys this is about internet censorship. Any further posts regarding /b/ will be deleted without prejudice.

You mention /b/ in your opening post then forbid people to talk about it? Jesus dude what the hell? If you didn't want people to talk about /b/, don't bring it up to start with. Rolling Eyes

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Usually people who stalk others have an ulterior motive. The people who would be doing the looking over the shoulder would have to conform to the Privacy Act and the Telecommunications Act and other like legislation. And it wouldn't be as obtrusive as someone looking over your shoulder,

Ok diffrent scenario, you wouldn't have a problem with the government placing cameras in your home to monitor your every movement? You're not commiting any crimes so why would it bother you?

The answer, because its a god damm invasion of privacy.
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wait.. there are sites that promote anorexia?

My bad. never came across one.


It's called the Pro Anna movement. It's as disturbing as you would think.

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Downloading tracks off a CD wich convince me to go buy a CD

Downloading an eppisode of an anime wich convince me to go buy the DVD's

I've done both before, would have never bought FLCL if not for downloading the first two epps, would have never bought Champloo without downloading it first, and would have never bought my collection of Red Paintings cds without downloading a couple of tracks first either.

There is no victim in the crime I'm commiting.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Koey wrote:
and are they also going to burn all the books that have the word anorexia in them?
This is what I find so amusing. So there's books on on this stuff and making bombs and what have you, but obviously people don't read books anymore. Sure the internet has given more exposure to this stuff, but if you're not looking for it, you're not going to see it. It's as simple as that.

By the way, EFA's indepth analysis on the Labor ISP filtering plan can be found here. It might be a little out of date as it's from 2006. I don't know if the details changed once Rudd became leader. This is interesting too, it's the usual suspects; The Australia Institute, Media Standards Australia, Australian Family Association, Fred Nile, Christian Democratic Party, Fatherhood Foundation, Australian Christian Lobby etc. It's really annoying that these minority groups can have so much influence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tachikoma wrote:
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Plus, I'm sure there are assignments and things in school that ask students to research the effects of things like anorexia, how are they going to research those now?

No, I think the proposal is to block sites that actually promote anorexia as opposed to sites that being informative about the condition.


I'm not expecting them to get any of it right.

For example, when I was looking for work, my job network/job search training people provided computers with internet access so we could look for and apply for jobs. This internet access was filtered, so people wouldn't use it to look up porn. Gmail was blocked. When I asked why Gmail was blocked (and complained that it got in the way of me emailing job applications), I was told it was blocked to prevent people from using it to get porn, and it would not ever be unblocked. Hotmail wasn't blocked, and neither was Google search.

A stupid, inconsistent and obstructive to legitimate use implementation of filtering, with no intention to fix up problems with it. I'm not expecting the nationwide filtering to be handled any better.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
anime_queen wrote:
What other things besides pornographic material would be on the blacklist?


Stuff that incites terrorism or informs on methods to make explosives, etc. Amongst other things.

Benza wrote:
Ok diffrent scenario, you wouldn't have a problem with the government placing cameras in your home to monitor your every movement? You're not commiting any crimes so why would it bother you?

The answer, because its a god damm invasion of privacy.


The government doesn't have the jurisdiction to do that. I'd be running it to the High Court if that were to happen. The example you gave would be something I'd have some objections to, because it's the government who's doing it. ASIO, the AFP, the Victoria Police, fine, as long as they have a relevant warrant to back it up, and they comply with the rules of evidence and the Privacy Act, and the recordings are destroyed after the required amount of time.

But then again, we're not talking about the government stockpiling dirt on people, we're talking about catching paedophiles and stopping kids from joining the Pro Anna movement and incitement of terrorism. This is the kind of stuff we don't want in our society, right?

Benza wrote:
Soul Master Kaze wrote:

Name a victimless crime. Any victimless crime, any at all, from any of the States or Territorys' Crimes or Summary Offences Acts.


Downloading tracks off a CD wich convince me to go buy a CD

Downloading an eppisode of an anime wich convince me to go buy the DVD's


That depends whether you downloaded them from something like the iTunes Music Store, or whether you got them from a NAUGHTY EFF WORD (not that eff word) site. Getting them from a 'the usual method' site means that you're denying the licensors their $4 or something, resulting in a loss of potential earnings. There's a victim. Doesn't matter if you bought the DVDs after getting a 'sample', you've still denied them some money. No-one's benefiting (read: you're not paying anyone for them), but someone's losing. QED.

Although for a moment, I thought someone would bring up jaywalking.
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