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anime_queen
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doubt MM would change their fatpack plans. It would be nice for us but I don't think they'll really consider the idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
anime_queen wrote:

Would be cool if some fatpacks came in a really, pretty form like they did with the El Hazard box-set.
The cover art and the way it was put together made me think that fat packs wouldn't look so bad after all.

That particular box set I think is called a digipack and is IMO highly regarded for the artwork on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Although I do love the collectors boxes, I don't mind the change to fatpacks as long as I still get my anime. And if it's gonna be cheaper then that's even better!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Will any fatpacks reach the $120 mark? The amount of anime series this price and higher are dramatically dropping but it just sounds a bit ridiculous to pay this much for a fatpack. Gundam Wing and GTO, both ten disc fatpacks, have come down a LOT but I'm wondering whether series like Gundam Seed, Twelve Kingdoms and Eureak 7 will com down to below $100 or whether they'll cost $120+
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
welll.... i've just skimmed over and read some of the posts in this thread... and It gets very heated... loool....

My opinion about this subject is...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! T.T BUT I LIKE THE BOXES THEY ARE VERY COOL... THE FATPACKS ARE POO..... Sad

..... But it can not be helped... I am very sad to see the boxes getting phased out.. But we can not do a thing about it....

So we all need to suck it up Sad and deal with what is happening lool....

Just keep being anime/manga fans and buy the dvds no matter what form they come in...

I know thats what i'm going to do.!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riza wrote:
Although I do love the collectors boxes, I don't mind the change to fatpacks as long as I still get my anime. And if it's gonna be cheaper then that's even better!


It's been said before of course, but you're right - this is the important thing to remember. If it was a choice between fatpacks or no new anime, then that's a no brainer for all of us I should think.

Boxsets are very nice though...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZeroAE wrote:
welll.... i've just skimmed over and read some of the posts in this thread... and It gets very heated... loool....

My opinion about this subject is...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! T.T BUT I LIKE THE BOXES THEY ARE VERY COOL... THE FATPACKS ARE POO..... Sad

..... But it can not be helped... I am very sad to see the boxes getting phased out.. But we can not do a thing about it....

So we all need to suck it up Sad and deal with what is happening lool....

Just keep being anime/manga fans and buy the dvds no matter what form they come in...

I know thats what i'm going to do.!


well they're not totally going away, at least if you have the determination, getting individuals + box is always an option, i know i'll be doing that lol
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Okay... i dont mind fatpacks. However, i still like a bit of uniformity. I am seeing fatpacks of all different widths. The stupid thing is just the other day (dont remember the titles) i saw a 4 disk and a 6 disk fatpack sitting next to each other and the 4 disk case was thicker!!!!! ??

This 4 disk pack was even thicker than my 1st Issue Gundam Wing fatpack which of course has 10 disks! (i say first issue because now i see the Wing fatpacks on the shelf with thicker packaging..)

Rant over: How many different fatpack thicknesses will there be?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sephiroth_FF wrote:
Will any fatpacks reach the $120 mark? The amount of anime series this price and higher are dramatically dropping but it just sounds a bit ridiculous to pay this much for a fatpack. Gundam Wing and GTO, both ten disc fatpacks, have come down a LOT but I'm wondering whether series like Gundam Seed, Twelve Kingdoms and Eureak 7 will com down to below $100 or whether they'll cost $120+

FatPacks originally were cheaper than the Box equivalent. This was only originally. Now most are the same price. This seems to have more to do with the boxes being cheaper, not the fatpacks being more expensive?

As for $120, I do not think a single Fatpack so far is over $100. So Far, that is. Also, there are those poxy Half Season things. If they are over $50, the full season will obviously break the $100 mark.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Reason why older fatpacks were cheaper was due to the series being out for a good while and thus have made their money, most older series would be cheaper now in fatpack but the newer series wont be as they are still making their money back on the licence.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HeDanny wrote:

As for $120, I do not think a single Fatpack so far is over $100.

JB are selling the fatpack of Burst Angel for $112. It's $80 on the MM website. But you're right. There are very few fatpacks over $100 but I've seen many cutting it pretty close.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well seeing as our queries regarding the price have been totally ignored by MM staff (unless I missed the post, in which case, apologies), I think we can safely say that the fat packs will be the same price as box sets, which actually makes me want to import all my anime from now on, just out of spite.

But I had an idea. I buy the Vol 1 + box, sell the Vol 1, then buy the fat pack when it's released and put the fat pack in the box!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, what're you going to put in the rest of the space in the box then? Random dvd's? Empties?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Letter P wrote:
Well seeing as our queries regarding the price have been totally ignored by MM staff (unless I missed the post, in which case, apologies), I think we can safely say that the fat packs will be the same price as box sets, which actually makes me want to import all my anime from now on, just out of spite.

But I had an idea. I buy the Vol 1 + box, sell the Vol 1, then buy the fat pack when it's released and put the fat pack in the box!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


... and then you can stack them all up and make a nice little fort in the bedroom of paper bricks ...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, what're you going to put in the rest of the space in the box then? Random dvd's? Empties?


Zebra porn. Duh.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just wish fatpacks were as 'stable' as normal dvd cases. Seems that either the discs become loose, or they require so much force that they almost break (I had to put my R1 CCS dvds in cd cases as the box they came in was a complete joke).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
VTS wrote:
I just wish fatpacks were as 'stable' as normal dvd cases. Seems that either the discs become loose, or they require so much force that they almost break (I had to put my R1 CCS dvds in cd cases as the box they came in was a complete joke).


It depends on the design of the fatpack, there are good fatpack cases (several at PCX) that keep the discs secure and make it easy to remove the discs. But many companies (ie Warner Home Video), always seems to choose the worse type of fatpacks to use.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kirben wrote:
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It depends on the design of the fatpack, there are good fatpack cases (several at PCX) that keep the discs secure and make it easy to remove the discs. But many companies (ie Warner Home Video), always seems to choose the worse type of fatpacks to use.


I guess its probably because they want to cut cost.. so the opt for the flimsy cases >.>
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There has only been I think two series I have collected (besides Hellsing Ultimate) individually but they have been 3 or 4 disc series.

Anyways if madman is going down this path then I say the MAXIUMUM for the periumum titles should be $99. All titles should be under $100 period if not cheaper.

Why should we pay the exact same amount of money for a SLIMPACK/FATPACK that we used to pay for BOXSET.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Why should we pay the exact same amount of money for a SLIMPACK/FATPACK that we used to pay for BOXSET.


Because, as crappy as it is, we have no other choice. Well, actually, I'll just wait until the stuff I want is on sale.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Timesplitter 01 wrote:

Why should we pay the exact same amount of money for a SLIMPACK/FATPACK that we used to pay for BOXSET.


There's a license that was paid that they have to earn back, not to mention production costs and advertising/marketing. Though with the current economic standpoint if anything BOXsets would probably end up becoming dearer.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There's a license that was paid that they have to earn back, not to mention production costs and advertising/marketing. Though with the current economic standpoint if anything BOXsets would probably end up becoming dearer.


boy are we going to have a nice conversation on msn when ur next on Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There's a license that was paid that they have to earn back, not to mention production costs and advertising/marketing. Though with the current economic standpoint if anything BOXsets would probably end up becoming dearer.


I see no reason why lowering the prices wouldn't work out. Thats pretty much why I haven't purchased any new anime in a year. It's expensive. I'd much rather go out and get something a lot cheaper with a lot longer running time, that is arguably better.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can currently get 10 seasons of STARGATE SG1 for about $420

whereas I can only get 4 series for that exact figure
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You have to remember that anime is a niche market more so than your sci-fi and of the like, not to mention the amount of airplay on TV (both free to air and satellite/cable) that said shows would get so lowering the overall cost when it comes to dvd as the same company would bring it to DVD as well.

Maybe if we were to have more anime on TV we could possibly see lower prices but who knows.

Then again lower prices would probably entice more people to buy more anime, though what really needs to happen is more market penetration. Outside of major cities/areas you're going to have trouble finding any anime at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Timesplitter 01 wrote:
Why should we pay the exact same amount of money for a SLIMPACK/FATPACK that we used to pay for BOXSET.
I think the recent permanent price reduction is because everything is moving to fatpacks. And I seem to recall the same thing happening with Stargate when it moved to thinkpacks.

The price of anime has decreased significantly over the last 3 or 4 years. I bought Escaflowne (8 discs) for $110, it's now $80. Which means it's actually better value than buying Stargate Atlantis Season 4 (5 discs) at ~$85. The only difference now is that TV series get massively discounted routinely. In a couple of months that Atlantis season will be on sale for $50. And right now Charmed seasons are on sale for $23 at jb for 6 discs. That's insane. But I'm sure the only reason they can do that is because they bought huge quantities of them which people will actually buy. You can't do the same with anime. There just isn't that kind of market for it. That said, it's a miracle we get any sales or deflation in the price of anime at all when it's effectively a monopoly in this country. Look at Telstra for an example of how effective monopolies usual behave. So good going madman!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Timesplitter 01 wrote:
boy are we going to have a nice conversation on msn when ur next on Rolling Eyes


I can't decide if that statement is threatening or perverted...

speedfreek19 wrote:
You have to remember that anime is a niche market more so than your sci-fi and of the like, not to mention the amount of airplay on TV (both free to air and satellite/cable) that said shows would get so lowering the overall cost when it comes to dvd as the same company would bring it to DVD as well.


But MM themselves opened the door for the comparison when they stated they were going to fatpack because it has become 'standard ... industry wide'. Seems a little rich to try and have it both ways. If they'd have just said 'yeah, we get a couple extra bucks by saving on packaging, but we get to stock more anime on our shelves for ya, what's da big deal?' I'd be able to understand.

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The price of anime has decreased significantly over the last 3 or 4 years. I bought Escaflowne (8 discs) for $110, it's now $80.


As speedy said, it's all about licensing. Escaflowne is an old title and MM have likely made back the money they spent on the license and them some, hence why they now sell it for cheaper. Now certainly that's good for us consumers, but if you're using that as an example of anime in general being cheaper than previously, you failz.

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Which means it's actually better value than buying Stargate Atlantis Season 4 (5 discs) at ~$85.


Pretty sure you'll find the total run-time on that set of Atlantis is a heck of a lot longer than that of Escaflowne. Hell, if anything, that argument makes MM look bad for spending 8 discs on a show that could easily fit onto less. Besides, if you take an anime collection that was released around the same time as Atlantis S4, chances are the anime will still be at the $120 mark.


And apologies if that post seemed full of MM hate. Not my intention, as I'm pretty neutral on the fatpack idea - I think the pros and cons are more or less equal. That's just want I think about the money argument, which obviously isn't the only aspect of the no mo' boxsets discussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Now certainly that's good for us consumers, but if you're using that as an example of anime in general being cheaper than previously, you failz. .
I don't see how I did. It's emblematic of an entire generation of titles. And there are vastly more older titles than newer titles so yes, anime is generally cheaper now then it ever was in the past. Anime, is after all, anime regardless of age. And I can't think of any new boxsets that are $120. Which was the standard starting price for new release a few years ago. IIRC the original boxset of Evangelion was $150, now it's $100. And it's got 5.1 now.

Here are some more examples. I'd do more but so many things on madman's website are out of stock.

Fate Stay/Night 6 dics - $100 - october, 2008.
Tokyo Underground 6 discs - $60 - september, 2008.
Utawarerumono 6 discs - $65 - may, 2008.
Starship Operators 3 discs - $30 - july, 2008.
Fafner 7 discs - $75 - september, 2007.
Last Exile 7 discs - $120 - February, 2006.
Evangelion 7 discs - $100/old $110 or 120. Even more for the original - March, 2006.
El hazard 3 discs - $35/old $60 - february, 2005.
GTO 10 discs - $80/old $150 - june, 2004.
Berserk 6 discs - $80/old $120 - march, 2004.

Almost every title I've ever bought as a collection is now cheaper. Here's a few examples:
Please Teacher: $50, I paid $75.
Fruits Basket: $60, I paid $88.
Love Hina: $60, I paid $92.
Azumanga Daioh: $80, I paid $92.


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Pretty sure you'll find the total run-time on that set of Atlantis is a heck of a lot longer than that of Escaflowne. Hell, if anything, that argument makes MM look bad for spending 8 discs on a show that could easily fit onto less.
True, SGA does have longer time but I could have said GTO. It beats that at both run time and discs while still being cheaper. Maybe Escaflowne could fit into less discs, but conversely what did they do to fit SGA into only 5 discs (with other languages)? It's always problematic comparing apples with oranges (niche vs well establish TV product). The point was, it's not as bad as it being made out to be... And also be thankful you don't live in japan where anime is commonly 2 eps a disc and horribly expensive..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think the recent permanent price reduction is because everything is moving to fatpacks. And I seem to recall the same thing happening with Stargate when it moved to thinkpacks.

The price of anime has decreased significantly over the last 3 or 4 years. I bought Escaflowne (8 discs) for $110, it's now $80. Which means it's actually better value than buying Stargate Atlantis Season 4 (5 discs) at ~$85.


Except, Escaflowne has a run time of, what, 600 minutes, and Atlantis Season 4 is abot 900. That's roughly five extra hours of viewing for $5. It's not the best comparison.

Thats the thing. no Fatpack should cost over $100--and even I think that's a bit much as it is. The larger ones can be a bit more, I guess.

But really, and I know Madman can't divulge this information, but by the time they switch to fatpack, are we really going to believe that they haven't made enough profit and covered lcensing costs enough to do large permenant reductions instead of spoiling the people who are willing to do $1000 impulse buys via a 24 hour sale?

Farscape for example, when it first came out (besdies having shockingly bad video) the season retailed for $130 - 150 each for 6 discs and 22 episodes. Season 4 came out for $130, and then after about a year they were all moved to slim packaging and reduced permanently to $75, and have since then bounced between regular price of $75 and sale price of $30 - 50. This has all happened over a four year period. At least. Maybe longer. And there are plenty of titles Madman have had on DVD for longer than that that have surely recouped enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
GTO currently is $80 which if fairly good value. However I cant say that much for FMA, etc

anyways

@ The Letter P

Nuh.... we constantly talk on msn. Just though it would be easier to talk on msn than posts going back and forth on here.

How was my posts threatening or perverted.....iof anything you have a very dirty mind
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But really, and I know Madman can't divulge this information, but by the time they switch to fatpack, are we really going to believe that they haven't made enough profit and covered lcensing costs enough to do large permenant reductions instead of spoiling the people who are willing to do $1000 impulse buys via a 24 hour sale?

As those of those people, although I probably save more with MMs crazy sales, I'd much prefer permanent reductions so I can spread my spending out over the year, instead of having to buy everything I want at one time.

I usually hang out for those sales, so if they reduced their sets then it would mean I would buy more anime more regularly, as opposed to large hits at certain times of the year.
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The guy at JB-Hifi has said that people have been rushing in to get the boxsets because of the change over to fat pack. He was pretty damn frustrated with this whole change that MM is doing and was shaking his head about the panic that it's causing for people wanting boxsets instead of fatpacks.

Yu Yu Hakusho has been the major mover in terms of boxsets being sold by JB-Hifi since the announcement with the first 3 boxsets practically sold out thru out their stores. This was by the guy who does the dvd orders at JB-Hifi Maccarthur Square.
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Great......

Now we are going to have riots at JB HIFI stores.

MAIN PERSON: WHAT DO WE WHAT?
CROWD: MADMAN BOXSETS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAIN PERSON: WHEN DO WE WANT THEM?
CROWD: NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The crowd proceeds to stampede through JB HIFI destroying everything in their way.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What are JB Macarthur like for ordering in madman stock? I've always gone to Ezydvd if I needed something ordered in but am seriously thinking about changing that since JB usually stock their stuff cheaper than upstairs.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Protocol7 wrote:
What are JB Macarthur like for ordering in madman stock? I've always gone to Ezydvd if I needed something ordered in but am seriously thinking about changing that since JB usually stock their stuff cheaper than upstairs.

I tend to use the city stores since I work in The Rocks area. I have used Macarther them a couple of times and they've been good when I've used them, but since the city stores are larger, I tend to go there. I have used Liverpool a few times as well. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
(...forget I said anything...)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
JESTER wrote:
I have used Liverpool a few times as well. Wink


As if move on my turf.

Also I have used Macarthur JB a few time for anime. They have more then Liverpool. Then again the last time I went was when JB did the half-price boxset sale.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
From what I saw the other day when I placed my Lucky Star order, JB macarthur are really starting to skimp. Their anime section is hefty, but there is a complete lack of volume 1, and also a lack of boxsets or fatpacks. It just seems like they are stocking whatever gets flung their way and not restocking what actually gets bought. Maybe I had the wrong idea thinking that if you had an item, it sells out, you get more in... not just order the next volume and hope that customer picks it up?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Protocol7 wrote:
From what I saw the other day when I placed my Lucky Star order, JB macarthur are really starting to skimp. Their anime section is hefty, but there is a complete lack of volume 1, and also a lack of boxsets or fatpacks. It just seems like they are stocking whatever gets flung their way and not restocking what actually gets bought. Maybe I had the wrong idea thinking that if you had an item, it sells out, you get more in... not just order the next volume and hope that customer picks it up?

They've been like that for a good time which is why I mention Liverpool. It also helps for me that I live in Ingleburn which is halfway between MacCarthur Square and Liverpool. ^_^

I've had to use Ezydvd at MacCarthur Square a few times when JB-Hifi didn't have items I was after in stock and finding out thru their computer system that Liverpool didn't have it either.
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