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Darth Tallis
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: The Blu-ray & home theatre discussion thread Reply with quote
You know, it just occurred to me, we really don't have a thread for general discussion about Blu-ray. So I figured I'd start one.

I thought I'd get the ball rolling with this little snippet from Digital Bits who in Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

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The DEG announced that Blu-ray software sales grew from $270 million in 2007 to more than $750 million in 2008. Combined DVD and Blu-ray software sales for 2008 totaled more than $22 billion dollars, down slightly from nearly $24 billion last year. The BDA says there are now some 10.7 million Blu-ray playback devices currently in the market, including both PS3 and standalone units, this after just 2.5 years of format availability. By contrast, just 5.4 million DVD capable devices had shipped by the end of the third year of that format's availability. The Year Three U.S. market penetration of Blu-ray is set to reach about 8%, which is impressive given that the Year Three penetration of DVD was just 4.2%. The DEG reported that some 3 million players were shipped in the 4th quarter of 2008 alone. The lowest player SRP for this past holiday season was $149 for an entry level unit. This is just a quick summary of released stats - I'll have more details for you later this weekend.


Those are pretty impressive numbers for a new format.
Even where I live, which is a piddly little country town, Blu-ray seems to be striking a chord. There are two electronics stores in town. One had 22 PS3s, selling 16, and 4 stand alone players, selling 2(one of which was a recordable player valued at $2000). While the other had 7 stand alone players and sold 4.

And speaking of CES, I watched an article in NBN news last night, where they showed some of the newer Plasma and LCD TV on display. I didn't think they could get them any thinner. Boy, was I wrong! Shocked


Back to Blu-ray, I only became acquainted with the format not more than a year ago after the Format war with HD-DVD had ended, when a bought a drive for my computer to replace an old DVD drive which was on the way out. I figured if I was gonna get a new drive, I might as well try something new. The thing came with a sample disc, and it absolutely floored me. The clarity was just mesmerizing! I was stunned by how 3 Dimensional some of footage looked, even though they're flat 2D pictures. I know it's a trick of the eye, but damn, it's impressive.
Next thing, I'm rushing off to the local Video Ezy, which only had a handful of titles at the time and rented them out. Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's chest looked especially nice. From there, I started buying movies like Casino Royale and Superman, and it's pretty much continued on.

I bought a stand alone player in the lead up to Christmas. A Sony BDP-350, which has been a joy to watch. My decision to get it was helped by my old TV biting the dust, which gave me excuse enough to invest in a 22" LG LCD. I know, it's not very big, but I had to get one to fit in a cabinet and it does the job very nicely.

For those of you who have LCD/Plasma TVs with Blu-rays, who play their movies at 1080p 24p? I love being able to watch movies in their original 24 fps frame rate. Very Happy

Back to the 3-Dimensionality of some HD footage, the Dark Knight is a great example of this. Especially the scenes shot in IMAX.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Honestly, I'm not a videophile, so it doesn't really impress me. I'm just as happy with DVDs. But then again, I was just as happy with VHS when DVDs were just coming out.

I may warm to it more with time, but right now I just have the two titles in my collection (Batman Begins and The Dark Knight), although I do plan on adding any future titles I get in Blu Ray if I can get them. Seems to be a lack of decent Blu Ray titles on sale locally, but new releases get them in at least.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Being the proud owner of a new full HD TV, I'm going to need to get a device capable of playing 1080p content. Which means I'll need a Blu-Ray player. But I don't think I'll be getting one too soon. Why? Well, the players are still pretty expensive, but that wouldn't be so bad if the disks themselves weren't so expensive! I've yet to see one for below $30! I can almost buy a DVD boxset for that price!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The prices are pretty good for stand alone players. Best part is, they're gonna get lower. Besides, backwards compatibility and upscaling means you don't have to jettison one collection for another, unlike the transition from VHS to DVD.
As for the software, shop around. There are bargains to found.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where? JB should be the cheapest place as their DVDs are the cheapest. But like I said, $30.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think we've paid more than $35 for an individual BRD.

I find the numbers a little surprising, as I firmly believe that Blu-Ray won't take off until the Chinese start producing low-cost players that bypass the egregious DRM schemes that afflict the players.

The PS3 is still the best option for BRD playing, as it's the most future-proof of the players.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The PS2 was one of the worst players for DVD back in the day, how does the PS3 compare for Blu-Ray?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very favourably, actually. It decodes every sound stream and is fully upgradable via Ethernet cabling.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not sure what to make of Blu-Ray it seems a little rushed in a sense after trying pushing DVDs in for long enough and all that sort of thing.
I have no desire to upgrade just yet anyway personally.

Not all Blu-Ray players are automatically BC
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
it was a little rushed due to HD-DVD being out and about so not to fall behind they put it out a little earlier.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah but the market isn't really ready for a new format so soon I think.
Not everyone can afford huge good tvs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You don't need a huge one. I've only got a 22 inch LG, and it does the job very well. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think now is the right time for Blu-ray, or at the very least, HD home video format.

Being that there are plenty of HD TV's (you can get a 32" Full HD for about $1200 if not cheaper) around, even then with your 720p type sets, it's still beneficial when using Blu-ray or playing HD games on consoles.

I don't think you could wait any longer to release a HD format for home video, as there is enough saturation of good TV's plus the whole gaming side of things they're pushing all of that for HD now anyway as you can only do so much on offering a 1.5 of a previous console when it's time to move to that next step.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Where? JB should be the cheapest place as their DVDs are the cheapest. But like I said, $30.


Not necessarily. The Logitech X530 set I bought was about $40 dearer than at MSY. The only reason that I didn't go to MSY was that there was about a 3 hour commute and lugging it home on a motorbike involved.

I do actually see the point of HD, given that my dad bought a big fricken TV last year, and I've hooked the DVD player and VCR up to it, and, whilst the visual is passable, it's once you start watching HD stuff that you really see the difference.

I'm still trying to convince my dad that a Bose 7.1 system would be an epic thing to get. He is so far unconvinced.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Un-upscaled DVDs do lose much on an HD TV. The picture is softer and usually any artifacting that was hidden by a lower resolution TV, suddenly becomes apparent.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I spent $900 on my Blu-ray when it first came out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I got off easy then. $379 for mine.
Although, I do know someone in town bought a recent model Panasonic Blu-ray recorder valued at $2000.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not necessarily. The Logitech X530 set I bought was about $40 dearer than at MSY.

Sure, for PC hardware, places like Umart are cheaper than JB. But in terms of DVDs, excluding online stores and sales that other stores, JB tends to be cheapest by default.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I find the numbers a little surprising, as I firmly believe that Blu-Ray won't take off until the Chinese start producing low-cost players that bypass the egregious DRM schemes that afflict the players.


More or less why I've held of buying one. Recently upgraded for a Full HD 1080p TV but with a substantial DVD collection split across R1, R2 and R4 I want a player that can play all of them.

Likewise once I start collecting Blu-Ray odds are my collections is going to be split between Zone A and Zone B. I'm willing to import anime since sometimes there's no other way to get it but more mainstream stuff I get strictly local.

Until I can find a Blu-Ray player that I know is going to do all these things I'll stick with my multi-region upscaling DVD player.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's an interesting point, since DVD players that are sold in Australia are suppose to be region un-lockable, does that mean Blu-Ray players are too? My guess is the companies have tried to worm their way out of it by claiming that Blu-Ray isn't like DVD Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's an interesting point, since DVD players that are sold in Australia are suppose to be region un-lockable, does that mean Blu-Ray players are too?


That's what I'm sitting back and hoping for. The anime market being what it is, I can't rely on everything I want being released in our region, nor can I rely on all the titles I'm interested in not being region coded.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe mine is region free. Haven't had any problems with anything that isn't R4.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FireAza wrote:
That's an interesting point, since DVD players that are sold in Australia are suppose to be region un-lockable, does that mean Blu-Ray players are too? My guess is the companies have tried to worm their way out of it by claiming that Blu-Ray isn't like DVD Rolling Eyes

My Sony BDP-S350 blu-ray DVD player has no region restrictions for standard defintion DVD. It came like that straight out of the box.

I have heard the unit is locked to Region B for blu-ray DVDs, but I cannot personally confirm it as I have no non-Region B discs to try out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My Sony BDP-S350 blu-ray DVD player has no region restrictions for standard defintion DVD. It came like that straight out of the box.

I have heard the unit is locked to Region B for blu-ray DVDs, but I cannot personally confirm it as I have no non-Region B discs to try out.


Same model as mine. And yep, it's region locked B. However, because I have a Blu-ray drive with AnyDVD HD installed, I'm not too worried about the multi-region thing just yet. By the time I need a new player it should be a non-issue.

I've heard that Panasonic's current line up is Region free for both DVD and Blu-ray. Although, I can't confirm that. I should take the only Region A disc I have and test it out.

Also, for anyone who didn't know, Blu-rays are very sturdy, which proved very useful recently. I picked up the Godfather Trilogy and all but one of the cases had broken clips, so the discs were rattling about for god knows how long. Not so much as a mark on them. There was little bit plastic grunge on Godfather 2, but I wiped that off with a clean cotton shirt. Didn't leave a mark, either.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tallis, how much did your blu-ray drive cost?

I'm considering purchasing one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I had no faith in Blu-ray as a worthwhile video format until I bought a PS3 and watched Casino Royale. I mean, great movie, but I feel like watching it in DVD would have been an insult. I'm actually considering rebuying The Fifth Element.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kermi wrote:
I had no faith in Blu-ray as a worthwhile video format until I bought a PS3 and watched Casino Royale. I mean, great movie, but I feel like watching it in DVD would have been an insult. I'm actually considering rebuying The Fifth Element.


Casino Royale was one of the first ones I bought. I already had the DVD, but after watching it on Blu-ray, I have not so much as looked at the DVD.

SG-B - It's a Sony which I got for about $210 on special. Now, regular retail is about that for Sony BD-Roms. But Lite-On has one going for about $125.
Burners have dropped in price, I've noticed, but I'll hold a bit longer before I invest in one of them. The cheapest last year was $700. The cheapest now is $365.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yeah but the market isn't really ready for a new format so soon I think.


The market's been ready for a successor format for VHS for over 10 years now. In fact, we were so desperate for a VHS successor that it was killed off by the stop-gap prototype format before the true successor format even became available.

Also, to correct a misconception: There is no such thing as a Blu-Ray DVD.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The market's been ready for a successor format for VHS for over 10 years now. In fact, we were so desperate for a VHS successor that it was killed off by the stop-gap prototype format before the true successor format even became available.


The trouble is, to most people the stop-gap prototype format is a proper format in its own right. And to the average consumer, Blu Ray is not the kind of dramatic improvement over DVD in terms of viewing experience that DVD was to VHS. Many people don't even actually notice the difference between SD and HD content, and even some of those who can don't think it's worth the expense of an upgrade.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What do you think would be a logical next step? Flash storage of some sort? (And no, digital distribution is not the correct answer while people are still calling their monitors "the computer" and their boxes "the hard drive")

My dad is quite unwilling to switch to DVDs etc, for the simple fact that he likes being able to record something on one TV and watch it at another (especially since we cbf paying for more than one foxtel box). Manhandling one-off discs seems absurd to him when you can use one VHS tape to record everything. He doesn't notice or care about quality.


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He sounds like my Uncle, who has three VCRs and one recordable DVD player. All four set for one station each, excluding SBS. I can't remember which station he allocated to the DVD recorder.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Many people don't even actually notice the difference between SD and HD content, and even some of those who can don't think it's worth the expense of an upgrade.


True dat.

Rob Enderle, principal analyst with the Enderle Group, a leading technology advisory company in the US, said that only after watching an upconverted DVD and a Blu-ray disc one after another could most people tell the difference. "Blu-ray is going to play a transition 'between' role - it can sustain the high end of the market but as soon as the flip comes to downloads or streaming - and I think that will be in the next couple of years - then it will not make any further progress. I am not convinced Blu-ray will ever go mainstream," he said. He fully expected Blu-ray to be the last physical movie format before digital downloading became the norm, he said.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article5484923.ece
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What do you think would be a logical next step? Flash storage of some sort?


If Toshiba gets its way.

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Toshiba Invokes SD Cards to Battle Blu-ray

A new service to dispense digital content, which involves using self-service kiosks to download movies and music to flash memory cards, was jointly announced by a group of companies including Toshiba on Thursday.

Self-service kiosks placed in public locations -- like retail stores, airports and cafes -- will dispense movies that can be downloaded to cell phones and SD (Secure Digital) Memory cards. The content can then be replayed on multiple devices with SD slots.

Toshiba will make TVs and set-top boxes with SD slots that can replay the movies downloaded using the service. Prototypes of the devices will be shown at the Consumer Electronics Show being held in Las Vegas Thursday through Sunday.

Toshiba is developing the service with NCR, which will make the self-service kiosks, and MOD Systems, which is providing the technology to manage and securely distribute digital content.

By offering movie playback via SD cards, Toshiba is beginning a new chapter in its high-definition media-format battle with Sony. Toshiba suffered a major setback last year when the HD DVD format it backed lost favor among top retailers and movie studios, which opted for Sony's Blu-ray DVD format.

SD cards are removable media commonly used into portable devices to store or move images, video or other data. SD card slots are available in 8,000 devices in more than 400 brands, including digital cameras, game consoles and camcorders, claims the SD Association, which provides the specifications for SD card development.

Users will be able to download close to 4,000 titles from top studios including Warner Brothers and Paramount Digital Entertainment, and 4 million [M] music tracks from self-service kiosks. Pricing will be determined by the retailers holding the self-service kiosks, according to MOD Systems.

The kiosks will be in stores later in 2009, though neither company provided an exact date. NCR hopes to install the kiosks internationally, a MOD Systems spokeswoman said.

It takes two to three minutes to download a standard-definition full-length film from a kiosk to an SD card, according to MOD Systems. Toshiba is trying to improve the download speeds and capacity of SD cards to make high-definition movies downloadable in the future.

SD cards saw a major jump in storage capacity and transfer speeds on Wednesday. The SD Association announced the SDXC (extended capacity) memory card specification, which could increase the size of SD cards to 2TB and transfer speeds up to 104Mbps. Current SD cards can store only 32GB of data and are limited to transfer speeds of up to 25Mbps. Toshiba was one of the original founders of the SD Association in 2000.

SD technology is evolving faster than DVDs, though both offer benefits like portability and compatibility across devices, said Mark Phillips, CEO of MOD Systems, in an interview.

"In the past 10 years the capacity of optical disc technology has increased less than 10 times [while] NAND flash has increased about 100 times," Phillips said.

Files can also be securely downloaded to SD cards, while the DVD faces challenges in securing content.

"Because content protection is tied to the disc, the disc must be manufactured, merchandised and transported -- it lacks the benefits of a pure digital system," Phillips said.

SD cards support digital rights management, which allows music and video files to be secure. The host controller manages SD card drivers and security.

But more work is needed for the SD format to reciprocate the success of the DVD format, which was the fastest consumer format ever adopted, Phillips said. People lapped up DVDs because of its consistent user experience and support for a broad range of players.

"We certainly think more awareness and education is needed though for consumers to widely adopt and understand the benefits of SD," Phillips said.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/156681/toshiba_invokes_sd_cards_to_battle_bluray.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What do you think would be a logical next step? Flash storage of some sort?


That is the most reasonable, as it fits nicely with both the high quality digital we've become used to and the convenience of an easily re-writable format we had in the VHS days. Ideally I think digital formats should drop all this DRM and copy protection stuff though, as all it does is annoy paying customers by restricting how and where it's watched.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What do you think would be a logical next step? Flash storage of some sort?


Sure, why not?

As for digital distribution, "Viewers are morons" is not enough of an excuse to prevent it from happening.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As for digital distribution, "Viewers are morons" is not enough of an excuse to prevent it from happening.


In fact, I have a pretty fair idea of how you could design a system for digital distribution that would be no more difficult to the consumer than watching cable TV is now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Foxtel On-Demand.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's also the Netflix streaming service the US has, which is now also available through their XBox 360.

Too bad Australian broadband sucks. I'd love to watch streaming movies through a digital service (with a wider selection than Foxtel Box Office and On-Demand of course) but you'd need at least ADSL2+ just to get HD media streaming to start with - then there's our ridiculous download caps. I kind of want to upgrade to ADSL2 with iinet, especially now that they're offering two years of XBox Live as a signing bonus to new clients and don't count XBox Live in their download cap. I could get 35 gigs a month for the same cost that currently gets me 12 gigs at 1024/512. Granted, it's split 15/20 between on/off peak hours, but even if we assume all my usage in during peak times I'm still 3 gigs ahead even before you factor in the XBL variable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very favourably, actually. It decodes every sound stream and is fully upgradable via Ethernet cabling.


Only negative about the PS3 is that because it's classified as a games console and not a DVD player it isn't required to be region free for DVD's. Which is why I don't import anime.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Though you can always install Linux onto the ps3 if you really have the need to watch out of region dvds.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr Waffle wrote:

My dad is quite unwilling to switch to DVDs etc, for the simple fact that he likes being able to record something on one TV and watch it at another (especially since we cbf paying for more than one foxtel box). Manhandling one-off discs seems absurd to him when you can use one VHS tape to record everything. He doesn't notice or care about quality.


lol, my old man was the same with the his vcrs...he had 3 tvs hooked up to their own in 2 different rooms and the quality after X amount of goes was shocking - he didn't care....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
until i get my lcd brd isn't an option for me...

as the only way i could watch it is on pc monitors
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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until i get my lcd brd isn't an option for me...

as the only way i could watch it is on pc monitors

Well LCD monitors are getting pretty cheap these days. I just picked up my 2nd 22" widescreen for a bit over $200 (can't remember exactly). I think blu ray drives for the PC are around the same area, although it was at the start of last year that I got mine, so they've possibly come down.

<- uses PC for DVD, Blu Ray, FM radio, and TV if the damn reception didin't suck here... dang trees.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
When mainstream digital distribution comes around, I think it will have a very, very hard time taking off in this country if Labor's sodding net censorship scheme is in place due to the speed slowdown and security issues it will have caused.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Darth Tallis wrote:
Same model as mine. And yep, it's region locked B. However, because I have a Blu-ray drive with AnyDVD HD installed, I'm not too worried about the multi-region thing just yet. By the time I need a new player it should be a non-issue.

So why is it they can't get away with region locking on DVDs, but they can on Blu-Ray? It's the same damn thing!

Also, one issue that's been bothering me is the release of old movies on Blu-Ray. Do the studios just happen to have a HD version of their film laying around somewhere that they can release, or is it a simple upscale that would look no better than watching the DVD version that they're selling to us for a HD price?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would think they'd go back to the film prints/negatives or whatever and go from there, seeing as film is resolution independant.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You don't think some studios would be too lazy for that and just release an up-scaled version of the DVD release?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FireAza wrote:
You don't think some studios would be too lazy for that and just release an up-scaled version of the DVD release?


Sure, some are. They're the ones that had pretty substandard DVD releases mastered from whatever crap they had lying around.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HimuraBattousai wrote:
That is the most reasonable, as it fits nicely with both the high quality digital we've become used to and the convenience of an easily re-writable format we had in the VHS days. Ideally I think digital formats should drop all this DRM and copy protection stuff though, as all it does is annoy paying customers by restricting how and where it's watched.


Some guy (I forgot his name and cbf'd looking it up at this hour) wrote an article for The Age today (Sunday) about how a copy of The Dark Knight wouldn't run on his home theatre system because it was controlled by a home theatre PC, and the DRM was locking it out. Legitimate DVD, rented from a video store. He then went on to say how much easier and cheaper it would have been to download it illegally from the internet, and how it only took him half an hour to break the law and illegally rip a copy onto his computer so that he could watch it. DRM only hurts consumers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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DRM only hurts consumers.



... and encourages piracy (as the article mentioned proves).

I myself have a Panasonic Blu-Ray player, which is locked to our region for BD but the DVD is region free (it plays my R1 DVDs fine). I only have a handful of BD though, and no anime. I was waiting for Madman to release Ex Machina on Blu Ray, but they seem to have gone quiet about BD so I just got that one on DVD and let the player upscale it.

Speaking of that, what is Madman's official word on BD?
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