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animefreak24
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 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: Macross frontier(help) |
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 Does anyone know what's going on with macross frontier like Licensing issues so on?sorry if this has been brought up before but I've heard rumors that it is been dubbed but I don't know what's going on.
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Who ever told you it had been dubbed was pulling your leg. The entire Macross franchise is caught in a legal snarl between Big West, Tatsunoko and for English language exports Harmony Gold.
I have heard that Tatsunoko and Big West have sorted their differences out recently but while Harmony Gold technically can't assert a claim to any part of the franchise other than the original series proving that legally would drain the profit margins of any English language release. Especially since the sheer amount of music would make Frontier an expensive adaption (at least if you dubbed it).
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I thought I heard something about also not letting Fire Bomber's music outside of Japan or something like that.
Made worse still to the claim with latest PSP Macross game.
Couldn't they just pay bloody royalties to get them to shut up?(Fire Bomber isn't a technically real band, it was only because Macross 7's music and the popularity in it)
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Bleh! This is totally not fair.macross frontier is like such a good series! Alota fans would support it and buy it if released(and dubbed even jst subbed).wish there was a way 2 change their minds etc.big let down 
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I dnt get why they can't jst change the songs that are by fire bomber to something else if its only about the music.
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Right. Replace the music, which is at least half the reason to watch the show. And alienate most of the franchise's existing fanbase. Not really a brilliant move.
Besides, even without that Macross is a licensing nightmare.
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So ur telling me that the only reason people watch it is to hear the songs by fire bomber??(what songs are they!?).the music on mf is awsome.but people watch it for more then that it has a great story line and the genre s are good.
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| I've never seen any Macross anime but have been told that the music is probably the most important element of it. Is music somehow related to the storyline in any way? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| animefreak24 wrote: | | So ur telling me that the only reason people watch it is to hear the songs by fire bomber??(what songs are they!?).the music on mf is awsome.but people watch it for more then that it has a great story line and the genre s are good. |
You change the soundtrack, you change the show. Thing is, you can't really just chop and change music within a show as it normally is scored for the show and it's not just a simple matter of "well just change the music then"
Have you ever watched a movie/anime without any kind of music, be it foreground or background music? Or have you attempted to watch a movie/show and mute the sound and change the music to your own?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ok fire bombers is a fictional band from macross 7 and some of their music has been used in macross frontier(not used for any purpose and does not ave anything 2do with the storyline) but music is a big part of it because of 2of the main characters(are singers)but u wuld ave 2watch it 2understand prop cause im not very good at explaing very well sorry XD.but its a great show that wuld be heaps popular if dubbed and released and it culd be if it wasn't for the legal stuff going on etc.
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lol change the music change the show.. what a load of bull... if it were Ranka and Sheryl's music, then yes. it would. but it's not. no biggy. and where FB music is played... if you changed it... it wouldn't make a huge impact, let alone change the freaking show LOL[/quote]
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| animefreak24 wrote: | | lol change the music change the show.. what a load of bull... |
Having to create an entire new audio track and score for a show would be expensive. No one wants to spend money on a task that has already been done
Music is an important facet to an animated series but it is just one of the many legal discrepancies involved with the Macross franchise.
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| animefreak24 wrote: | | lol change the music change the show.. what a load of bull... if it were Ranka and Sheryl's music, then yes. it would. but it's not. no biggy. and where FB music is played... if you changed it... it wouldn't make a huge impact, let alone change the freaking show LOL |
Music has more of an effect than you realise. The music does make the scene at times and if you change the song, you could change the mood from what was originally intended in the show itself.
Plus you'll end up making fans of it angry, more so if some english dubbing company replaces the music
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Yes I understand that music makes a scene and makes the mood for it that nearly all the time during any show.it may make fans made but then fans complain that its not being dubbed and mosta the reason is ova music and otha licensing etc.but I do understand but some fans dnt really care and want it dubbed.does that make sense?.
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| animefreak24 wrote: | | Yes I understand that music makes a scene and makes the mood for it that nearly all the time during any show.it may make fans made but then fans complain that its not being dubbed and mosta the reason is ova music and otha licensing etc.but I do understand but some fans dnt really care and want it dubbed.does that make sense?. |
Not really.
See, in Macross, the music is part of the script, part of the story. Macross isn't just telling stories about musicians: the actual music they play plays a big part in the story too, and if you change the music you actually change the story.
In the original Macross, for example, half of Minmay's character arc is carried by the changes in the songs she performs. Macross Plus, the contrast between, say, Voices and Santi U echoes the contrast between Myung and Sharon Apple. Macross Seven, gods, ep 34. And much the same with Macross Frontier.
Actual, vital-to-the-story stuff. You can't change the music without changing the story. It doesn't work.
Anyway, it's not like it matters; the music rights are only one of several the dealbreakers regarding western releases of Macross.
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I wasn't aware that there were actual issues regarding the music with Frontier, at least not like there was with 7.
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The entire point of the Macross franchise is its music. Even moreso than the mecha. If you changed that, then it wouldn't be Macross anymore.
Besides, who would you get to do the replacement music to a Yoko Kanno soundtrack? Seriously?
(Also, Nargun, the best example of how important music is to the franchise is surely the ending of Do You Remember Love?)
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| StorminNorman wrote: | The entire point of the Macross franchise is its music. Even moreso than the mecha. If you changed that, then it wouldn't be Macross anymore.
Besides, who would you get to do the replacement music to a Yoko Kanno soundtrack? Seriously? |
Joe Hisaishi (笑）
More seriously, maybe these guys.
| StorminNorman wrote: | | (Also, Nargun, the best example of how important music is to the franchise is surely the ending of Do You Remember Love?) |
Strangely enough, that is the one song you could swap out. As Misa says, it's just an ordinary everyday love song. Artistically, sure, it'd suck more than a hydro station running backwards, but in strict narrative terms you could put anything there and it'd work.
Compare this to some of the other examples, where the song's lyrics are effectively part of the script. [yes, even A Saï En...]
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Hey everyone. First post for me!
Just throwing this out there, but did anyone really like Macross 7? I saw some of it, and felt it was quite inferior to SDF Macross and Macross Frontier. And compared to the likes of Macross: Do You Remember Love, it's got nothing.
Basically, I thought it was garbage, music and all.
My point is, would anyone care if Macross 7 was just left alone and not brought to the table at all when it comes to the whole Macross licensing debacle? If they said "we're releasing Macross Frontier on DVD tomorrow, but we're never releasing Macross 7" would anyone care.
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Truth be told, most people who I've spoken with can sum up their problems with Macross 7 in two words: Nekki Bassara (or however you choose to romanise it). He is one of the all around most obnoxious, irritating, self-absorbed anime leads around and the worst when it comes to the Macross franchise.
That being said, of all the Macross franchise, 7 has the absolute least chance of ever being released outside of Japan. The music rights are owned seperately to the anime and belong to another company completely. Which is a shame really since the music is one of the few things that Macross 7 does have going for it (though my favourite songs from the albums, 'Flash in the Dark' and 'Heart and Soul' don't actually get used in the series) at least if your tastes run towards rock.
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| SVanD wrote: | Hey everyone. First post for me!
Just throwing this out there, but did anyone really like Macross 7? I saw some of it, and felt it was quite inferior to SDF Macross and Macross Frontier. And compared to the likes of Macross: Do You Remember Love, it's got nothing.
Basically, I thought it was garbage, music and all.
My point is, would anyone care if Macross 7 was just left alone and not brought to the table at all when it comes to the whole Macross licensing debacle? If they said "we're releasing Macross Frontier on DVD tomorrow, but we're never releasing Macross 7" would anyone care.
I don't think I would to be honest. |
I think it's entirely skippable yes.
Although it was the first to use the whole idea of actual sound energy hurting their enemies and all that kind of thing.
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| Knight of L-sama wrote: | | Truth be told, most people who I've spoken with can sum up their problems with Macross 7 in two words: Nekki Bassara (or however you choose to romanise it). |
Nekki Basara.
Nekki is "熱気", "hot spirit", enthusiasm,
Basara is バサラ, from skt "vajra", "thunderbolt, diamond".
It's the sort of name that builds certain expectations about the one bearing it.
| Knight of L-sama wrote: | | He is one of the all around most obnoxious, irritating, self-absorbed anime leads around and the worst when it comes to the Macross franchise. |
Well, yeah. This is, in fact, kinda the point. This, and the problems and conflicts that this causes, play a fairly large part in the story.
This is because Macross 7 is a complex multi-layered work containing multi-dimensional and sometimes flawed characters.
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