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StorminNorman
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: The Playstation 4 thread Reply with quote
So now that it's been announced, and despite the fact Sony didn't actually, you know. show it off in any useful way, it's probably time we made a PS4 thread.

If you missed yesterday's presser, then this abridged version will give you everything you need to know in three minutes.

Tech stuff:
— IT'S A GODSDAMNED GAMING PC WITH KNOBS ON.

Discuss.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It can play used games.

No in-built backwards compatability, but PS1-PS3 games available though a cloud service. No mention either way of regionised lbraries, though. Would be good if there was one, global pool of games to choose from. Oh, and every game from previous systems automatically included would be appreciated. Otherwise it'll lead to ghettoisation, particularly of Europe/Australia.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The most exciting piece of news concerning the PS4 is that the 'Witcher 3' will be released on it next year Razz

I can't believe this gen ended without a new persona. And with FF Versus still in limbo (did we really need another Lightning game?)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The Playstation 4 thread Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:
— IT'S A GODSDAMNED GAMING PC WITH KNOBS ON.


Touchscreens and so forth, at least. Knobs are all tactile and so last century.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
At the risk of sounding like a limp wristed hipster, is Sony even relevant to anyone's life these days?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I can't believe this gen ended without a new persona.


Persona 5 is hitting the PS3 later this year. You'll see it at either E3 or, failing that, TGS.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Plays used games and doesn't require a constant internet connection equals win for me.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No in-built backwards compatability, ...


Worst mistake ever, Sony. WTH were you thinking?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Worst mistake ever, Sony. WTH were you thinking?


Clouds. The future is cloudy.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Worst mistake ever, Sony. WTH were you thinking?


They were probably thinking that $1200 for a console was a bit much.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm willing to give up physical backwards compatibility if it means a cheaper price for the console. Besides, how long could Sony keep up the backwards compatibility and keep it stable at a hardware level? There were some PS1 software titles that had problems on the PS2. Likewise on the PS3. Then PS2 BC was slowly phased out on the PS3 once more technical problems started to crop up.

It seems like a pain that there won't be physical BC. If it helps with functionality and cost of the unit, then fine. I keep my old hardware and have multiple PS2s.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No 3D. Admission it was just a fad, that is now over?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It will be capable of 3D. Sony's just not putting so much focus on it the way they were a couple of years back.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:

Persona 5 is hitting the PS3 later this year. You'll see it at either E3 or, failing that, TGS.


I'll cry happy, happy tears if this turns out to be true. The lack of news surrounding it has been a little disheartening.

Darth Tallis wrote:
Plays used games and doesn't require a constant internet connection equals win for me.


The new xbox is still rumoured to require a permanent connection, though.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It will be capable of 3D. Sony's just not putting so much focus on it the way they were a couple of years back.


Hmm. Seems I misinterpreted.

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Yoshida also said that Sony was following current technology trends, and that includes moving away from 3D capabilities. "3D was a big thing a couple of years ago — we made it a big thing because it was lead by the consumer electronics side of Sony and we liked what we could do on PS3 using 3D stereoscopic," Yoshida said. "But now the consumer electronics side of Sony, or all of the companies have shifted focus from 3D TV to something else, so if they're not talking about it, why would we?"


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I remember when Goodgame did there E3 special and all people they interview at the expo kept wanting to hear news of a new console.

So my question is "Are gamers really that desperately need for a new console just yet"?
There is the case of console addicts, were people can't seem to wait for the next new console every single E3 expo annual event.

People at the events will say things like: "This years E3 was all about games and not about consoles" and then they'll say things like: "I'm disappointed that this years event that there was no mention new consoles".
When I first heard this it made me wonder are game designers or even the casual gamer really that desperate to hear news of the next generation of new consoles.

I can understand "4K Ultra High definition technology" is coming soon but still we don't even have TV's yet that support this yet and there already talking about having a console that can support it.
And so the 3D focus is going...well I can't say I support 3D gaming anyway.

But I ALWAYS hear people saying they want a new next generation console?
SO are you guy/gal/hardcore gamers/casual gamers really have a need for a new console just yet?

I wouldn't mind a new console but I'll wait until technology gets ahead a bit more since it does seem a bit like a rush right now...well that's just my opinion.

What's even more funny is that if you save enough money and buy a decent PC rig with a great high end graphics card your pretty well set for a few years...since your PC is more powerful than the current console.
Once consoles are released there hardware is already out of date the following year.
At least with PC's you can upgrade your parts all the time such a graphic cards, which there's a new generation of graphic cards out every year.

I hate to say this but consoles cannot keep up with technology advancing this quickly, where as PC's can keep up moderately.
They keep saying people are going more towards consoles but really your just buying a new console every two years just to keep up with technology standards.

I can see why some people are still sticking to all forms of gaming such as having a good decent PC and also having the occasional console gaming aswell.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not exactly anticipating it at this stage. Hardware wise, of course a PC will be more powerful, yet I don't think it is underpowered by any means. As long as it can pull 1080p as a standard (unlike PS3 / Xbox where games were rendered sometimes lower then 720p and scaled up), I'll be happy in that department. Launch titles leave something to be desired though. Probably wont get one at launch based on what I've seen.

Touch pad might be interesting, apart from that, the video sharing, game take over is pretty meh. Playing the game while downloading though, I think would be cool, kind of like how WOW works I think.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PS4 = A 2 year old PC
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PS4 = A 2 year old PC

Don't be stupid. Can a 2 year old PC be able to run something that looked like the Killzone they showed off? No, don't be ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd say yes, I think any rig with good speed DDR3, good i5/i7, and a GTX670 or greater would get similar performance.

The only thing about the PS4 specs that screams wow to me is the ridiculous amount of GDDR5 for the main memory.

The good thing about consoles, is the hardware is all uniform, so games can be tailored specifically to a platform, unlike PCs where you have to have a game run on many different hardware configurations. Eventually developers will learn tricks to get the most out of the hardware, same can't be said about PCs. The way to do that is throw more hardware at it. So we should see the PS4, like Xbox 360/PS3, have games that maximise the potential of the hardware.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm kind of sick of this whole "PC games have to run on a huge variety of hardware configurations" argument. Do you guys even know what the point of DirectX is?

The only genuine configuration variation on PCs these days is whether or not it's using an NVidia or ATI graphics card. Everything else is really just performance, not compatibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Do you guys even know what the point of DirectX is?


To make it harder to program games thereby building dependence on microsoft tools?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
APIs are a big factor.

So I hear, a lot of games devs on consoles are programming direct to metal, to basically squeeze out as much as possible. Part of the reason why games on PC haven't majorly been killing the PC in visuals (other part is that most games are targeted to consoles). PCs might be 20x more powerful, but games certainly don't look 20x better.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/2

Going off that released a few years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Don't be stupid. Can a 2 year old PC be able to run something that looked like the Killzone they showed off? No, don't be ridiculous.


LOL this guy. Better go look at the specs again mate Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Don't be stupid. Can a 2 year old PC be able to run something that looked like the Killzone they showed off? No, don't be ridiculous.


LOL PC vs console.
Actually a PC could out do a PS4 in no time.
Technology Time STOPS for consoles once released but where as PC's can be upgraded again and again.
So a PC WILL out do a PS4 in year or two after it's release date.

If consoles were upgradeable then that will be something else entirely.
But I don't think anybody has come up with the idea of an 'upgradable consoles'...but then again a upgradable console would be exactly like a PC.
It would be a console/PC...know that sounds like a funny new idea of an invention...A PC and console in one.
But funny thing now is that were getting SMART TV's with internet access and remotes that act like a mouse pointer on screen so you can point and click and browse the internet on you TV.
So soon will will have 4K Ultra definition TV's.
It's just funny how technology is progressing lately.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LOL this guy. Better go look at the specs again mate Smile

LOL this guy. Look at the Xbox 360's specs, then find a PC with similar specs as a 360 running Crysis 3 the same it looks on 360.
Protip, you can't because a console is not a PC, it's different.
Good luck finding a PC that can run those games with 512MB of RAM.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No in-built backwards compatability,

Worst mistake ever, Sony. WTH were you thinking?


I don't see it as a bad thing.

BC in general is only a recent thing and really, how often do you play previous gen games on current consoles? There is the period when the console is new but not everyone is an early adopter or sells off older console to get the new one.

People are only getting up in arms about it because now it's becoming less of a thing, at least with sony, yet what about the previous consoles even before sony? Did many people whinge and moan about not having backwards compatibility? (honestly I don't really know TBH)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
garrethking wrote:
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What? Did you read what I said, do you see where you went wrong, champ?
Btw, I own a Gaming PC, 360, PS3 and a WiiU. I'm not a fanboy of anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why defend it? I also own one of each. Just saying.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The only thing I find bad about not having backwards compatible is that you still need to keep you old consoles around just to play your old games.

eg. I still need my PS2 console to play my PS2 games because PS3 ditched the backwards compatibility for PS2 but only allows PSone backwards compatible.
And I'll still will need my PS3 to play PS3 games because I can' play PS3 games on a PS4.

SO how MANY consoles are your stocking up at home, because sooner or later your gonna run out of physical space and connections to ya TV.
If you have PS3, 360, a WiiU and now a PS4...thats like 4 HDMI connections already if you going that setup.

Also even mention the fact that some people own DVR's or even Blu Ray HDD recorders/players which is another HDMI connection.
So your gonna be running out of HDMI connection unless you ditch one of your consoles.
So hope you have enough HDMI connections.

Even though I only have a PS2,PS3,DVR and even an old VCR as setup entertainment system right now, I still need to get around to ditching my old VCR even though it still works fine.
I guess I still keep the old VCR because I still have some old anime tapes lying around.
But most of my stuff is getting transfered to DVD anyway so I can ditch the VCR.

But still, not having backwards compatibility is kinda nasty.

::As for games::
They also say games like Watched Dogs, Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Diablo 3 will be on PS4.
Watched Dogs you can still even buy on PS3 or even 360 so how's a PS4 gonna be any different to a PS3 version.

Witcher 3:Wild Hunt will STILL be available on PC since the games series started on PC...so I will still be getting the PC version to complete my trilogy collection.

Diablo 3 on console...Really? is there really a need for a console version...I've already completed the game on PC, but I guess it's just to satisfy console fanboys, which is the same thing with Witcher 2 going on 360 after the PC release.

The thing I hate the most is that they'll eventually will be phasing out PS3 games and making way for PS4 games when I'm still currently enjoy playing PS3 games.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have 9 consoles. Good stuff!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
9 consoles...that's actually not surprisingly, since I've heard people collecting and keeping there old consoles from way back to Nintendo days.

The ones I can remember in my lifetime:
Nintendo,SNES, Sega master system, sega Megadrive/genesis, C64, Amiga 500, Dreamcast, Nintendo 64,Psone, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii and WiiU.(that just consoles and not even handheld devices)

Though Amiga 500 and C64 were more like a PC than a console.
But C64 did connected to ya TV so it was like a console, while Amiga 500 has it's own monitor so it acted more like a PC.
I could mention Neo Geo but the list just goes on.

So which of the 9 do you have Garrethking?
I'm guessing you might have these 9: N64, Dreamcast, PSone, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii and WiiU.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Diablo 3 on console...Really? is there really a need for a console version...


Offline single player may well mean the console version is superior... depending on how it plays. I would be excited by the news, but Blizzard created a Diablo game that feels more like WOW than Diablo.

But this beautifully demonstrates the pros and cons of PC gaming - PC gaming has the graphics and the tech, but it also has all the annoying bullshot. Like, of course, the DRM which has caused so much frustration to Diablo 3 gamers around the world that the fair trade commission in Korea ordered Blizzard to offer mass refunds.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would be excited by the news, but Blizzard created a Diablo game that feels more like WOW than Diablo.


As someone who's played both games extensively, I can tell you that Diablo III feels nothing like World of Warcraft. It may not feel like Diablo II, either, but it's certainly not WoW (and, honestly, it could stand to be a little more WoW-like in some aspects.)
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Megadrive, Saturn, Dreamcast, Super Nintendo, Super Famicon, PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox, 360, N64. Turns out thats 11
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey guys can we have a PC vs. Console debate? That hasn't been done in a while and always creates a friendly, positive and productive dialogue. Yeah, let's do another one of those.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Offline single player may well mean the console version is superior.


I don't think there will be an Offline mode since the Auction House IS the REAL reason Always Online DRM is there is to prevent hackers from faking items and making up a black market and then they'll sell fake items for profit.

If they remove Auction House completely then YES, they probably can make it offline.
But as long as Auction House exist it still won't be offline.

But I've also heard other news for a offline petition:
For offline mode you need TWO accounts one for offline with GOLD only for Auction House and while the online account will be as normal.
But I don't know if Blizzard will make it easy to have two accounts just for one game.
But if they shutdown the servers you can NO LONGER play the game any more which is why always online DRM sucks.
But if Blizzard do, do something about then it will make fans happy...I guess time will tell.
They have announced last week that Diablo 3 will be released on PS3 and PS4.

@garrethking well I was close enough to my guess but you don't have any Wii consoles.
Wait you have Super Famicon and a SNES...so you have both Japanese and Australian versions of the same console.
Ah yes Sega Saturn I keep forgetting that one as I always remember the Dreamcast.


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I don't think there will be an Offline mode since the Auction House IS the REAL reason Always Online DRM is there is to prevent hackers from faking items and making up a black market and then they'll sell fake items for profit.


Hacking/cheating aren't real concerns for console releases. They could use this excuse for the PC market but the general consensus is that they have no excuse putting DRM on the console version of the game.

There have been hints that there will be an 'offline mode' of sorts, but not many details have been released about it.

Quote:
John Hight, a production director at Blizzard, says in the interview (around the 8:35 mark) that “We think the thing that was really cool, that Chris talked about, is that we’re going to allow for local co-op as well as online co-op.”

“So you can have four people on the same screen, no split-screen, and we just zoom the camera out, or if you’re offline…”

At this point he is cut off by the host but, as WoW Insider point out, the heavy implication in this unfinished sentence is that Diablo III will support offline gameplay as an option.


http://games.on.net/2013/02/blizzard-hints-at-offline-mode-for-ps4-version-of-diablo-iii-in-interview/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@drae Thanks for the link since I've been checking out sites as well about this... as well as a petition for offline mode.
Sounds like a good idea but when it comes to practice is yet to be determined.

Though it will anger a lot of people if PS4 is offline and yet PC is still stuck in online mode.
People will start a riot at Blizzard if this happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SS3 Son Goku wrote:

Though it will anger a lot of people if PS4 is offline and yet PC is still stuck in online mode.
People will start a riot at Blizzard if this happens.


PC gamers should be used to developers treating them like rubbish Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah I have to agree it seems PC gamers seem to be forced into always online play with DRM while console gamers are free to choose between offline and online as they much as they feel like.

Pc gamers feel like their stuck with chains around their ankles because people pirated games like crazy in the past decade or two and now where feeling consequences of pirating and now we've stuck with DRM.

Even though we pay good money for a PC game were still stuck with DRM.
It's funny CD Projekt RED on Witcher 2 PC unlocked DRM in a patch as a reward for buying their game.
We should be rewarded for buying their games by unlocking DRM.
So at least CD Projekt RED had the right idea about this.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't have a lot to say about the PS4 other than it all seems reasonably agreeable despite Sony. However, much like the NGP announcement I suspect things are only going to go sour from here.

Anyway, that Playstation Meeting presser--On one hand, I understand what they did and why--at least as much as any normal individual can; but on the other, I feel like it should have been a different kind of event. It basically parallels Nintendo's Wii U announcement, which is not great. So, essentially this year's E3 will give us Part 2 of the PS4 announcement, and I think that's telling of a few things, not least of all a deficit in imagination.

Also, I'd hoped by now these businesses would have figured these trade show presentations aren't what we want to see. PowerPoint presentations and people humiliating themselves are tolerated because our patience is usually rewarded with a montage of hardware and games.

So if Playstation want rapturous fanfare for their new machine, a half-assed media event is not the way. This is just Sony baiting their hook, not the dawn of the next-gen, nor a blitzkrieg on the press to jump-start the new console war.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
drae wrote:
Hacking/cheating aren't real concerns for console releases


Yes they are. Especially on the PS3 because the entire platform's security system has been broken. Not to mention that if they want the PS3/PS4 version to interact with the PC version, it will need to have a guarantee of security.

There may be an "offline multiplayer" mode, but I doubt that items you find in it will be usable online or tradable on the AH.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
StorminNorman wrote:

Yes they are. Especially on the PS3 because the entire platform's security system has been broken.


The figures released constantly state that hacking and piracy of console games is negligible. The latest study I've seen stated PC piracy to be 5-10 times more common than console piracy, another one had PC piracy north of 70% with console piracy less than 10. Sure, hacking still exists, but the numbers are small and not really a concern for what many people are starting to say is a dying platform.

There's a couple of reasons for this. For example, you hack your game you risk getting banned. You hack your ps3 you risk getting banned for life. Use a bot you risk getting banned. On the PC you have none of these consequences etc etc

StorminNorman wrote:
There may be an "offline multiplayer" mode, but I doubt that items you find in it will be usable online or tradable on the AH.


Nobody expects them to be. An offline mode will be enough. We don't need to be able to trade online.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
SS3 Son Goku wrote:
Wait you have Super Famicon and a SNES...so you have both Japanese and Australian versions of the same console.


No, the snes is American.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
drae wrote:
The figures released constantly state that hacking and piracy of console games is negligible.


Yeah that time PSN got hacked and taken offline for close to a month was pretty much a total non-event.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PS4 console has been revealed today at E3 Sony press conference.
http://www.psu.com/

The funny thing is the shape of the console looks like a giant eraser.
First off, the PS4 will arrive with a 500GB hard drive, an HDMI cord, USB cord, power cord and headset. It will have 2 USB 3.0 ports, Bluetooth 2.1 and also the Dualshock 4 controller.

PS4 will be HDMI ONLY as it will not have component or S cable connection so it will not work on non-HDTV's.
But so far E3 is still going on so more news will be posted as this info is currently 'live'.

::Pay to Play online::
Also you need to 'pay to play' online for playstation plus which could be around $50 a year for membership.
Although this info is still a little sketchy but you need to be an Playstation Plus member to play online.
Though non-members can still play single player games for 'free'.
The new online service will be call 'Playstation World' which is set to replace the playstation plus and PSN.
This new service will allow you to use a tablet or smartphone to connect and chat and also purchase games.
Also the PS4 comes with a playstation eye so you can watch your friends play on your dashboard.

There's a lot of new information coming out now so be patient.
But the more we learn about it the more we may not like the new features...but it still might be better than Xbox One's always online.
But if your an offline gamer this could be good news for you for not having always online, but if you play online it maybe bad news for you and probably costly, but you might only need to pay probably once a year depending how this membership goes.

But it will suck if you have to pay to play Diablo 3 online with a PS4, but when it comes to the PC version is 'free online play'.
SO this info is a little sketchy, but seems like a setback for Sony as a lot of people don't want pay to play.
Though I don't know about the full details on how Diablo 3 will work for the PS4, but I have read a bit on battle.net that it can be played offline.

These console wars aren't going well as it's pay to play (PS4) versus Needs to be online once every 24 hours (Xbox One).
I really don't know which is better unless you go for a PS4 if your an offline console player like me(but choose play online on a PC if needed).

::DRM::
Good news on DRM on PS4 is that you can even share your games with your friends without having to pay to play the game when the game is inserted into your friends console which the Xbox One DRM restricts game sharing.
You don't need online authentication for any new game or even used games.
Also you don't need to connect online every 24 hours like Xbox One which is a serious kick in the pants for Microsoft.

::Price::
More info still coming out, but I've heard this will be the cheapest release price since the previous consoles release date prices.
Also it might end up cheaper than a Xbox One.
so far I've heard it will be worth AUD$549 which is $50 cheaper than a Xbox One at $599.

But keep posted on any new info.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So apart from the change of network structure, pretty much all good, just at first glance. As a single player gamer, I'm liking the system already.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The next generation will probably be the first time I boycott a MS console.

Also,, as someone who has no interest in online gaming, the PS4 is looking damn good.

A bit of a change from this generation where I hardly use the PS3 at all.
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