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perfect_cell
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:03 pm    Post subject: Supersaiyan before goku? Reply with quote
Ive always wondered if there was a supersaiyan before goku. cos' before goku went supersaiyan in the freeza saga, they were always talking about becoming a super saiyan. now if there wasn't a supersaiyan before goku how did they all know about becoming a supersaiyan?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vegeta referred to something that happened 3,000 years ago.. somehow the memories were preserved, but basically during the dawn of the saiya-jin race, there was more uncontrolled rage because the Saiya-jin were little more than beasts. I guess someone went SSJ back then, but because they couldn't handle the power, it destroyed them.

Also, it's presumed that Brolli went SSJ before Goku.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think the very first super saiyans could only acheve it in their Oozaru form but the power destroyed them.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah i would say that Borlly when SSj before Goku because of two reasons
1 he is very strong!!!
2 he can get p***ed off realy easy!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah but Brolly is also the USSJ - hmm...sum1 sed that this was just cos the plot got screwed up...may hafta look 4 that again...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think I heard somewhere that Brolly isn't Super Saiyan anytime.. he's just really really really really strong.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
He's just SSJ1, but he's whooping everyone in their best forms.. SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Goku, SSJ Vegeta, Supernamek Piccolo etc...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Um Kerms Goku and Gohan dont go SSJ2 in that movie. Goku doesnt even go SSJ2 untill he dies and trains in heaven.
Don't know where u got your facts from bu they been lyin to u man.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2001 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hey well actually first off brolly does go supersaiyan and 2nd i actually saw brolly woop ssj2 gohan and goku in an episode that i downloaded it was actualy quite cool although im not sure if goku was ssj 2.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2001 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oops.. I haven't actually seen the movie, and I couldn't remember the forms, so I sorta guessed..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2001 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brolly is supposed to be the USSJ...SSJ Brolly whips Piccolo, SSJ Gohan, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Goku in one of the movies which shows how strong the guy is.

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Super Saiyan Vegeta
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
When Vegeta refers to the "Legend of the Super Saiyan" in the Namek/Ginyu/Frieza Saga he is talking about Broly because Broly is the ONLY one to go Super Saiyan before Goku.

PS. Broly is only in Dragon Ball Z Movies so this Discussion room is probably the wrong one for this topic.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That would make Brolly 3000years old
The first SuperSaiyans were in their Oozaru form but I dont know what they looked like eg if they had gold fur.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lol brolly 3000yrs old lol
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2001 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was being sarcastic you know
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by perfect_cell:
Ive always wondered if there was a supersaiyan before goku. cos' before goku went supersaiyan in the freeza saga, they were always talking about becoming a super saiyan. now if there wasn't a supersaiyan before goku how did they all know about becoming a supersaiyan?



3000 years ago was the last LEGENDARY SSj, and Brolly is the next one, and Brolly has been able to go SSj for longer than Gokou even though he's introduced later
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
all those things Vegeta says about a SSJ 3000 years ago is only in the FUNi version. I just recently watched that in the japanese version and there is no mention of it at all. The only thing he says is that 1 in 1000 have the potential to become a SSJ. And Brolli and Gokou were born on the same day so he is as old as Gokou. At birth Brolli had a Battle Power of 10,000 and Gokou's BP was 2. Brolli is THE Ledgendary Super Saiya-jin.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FUNi is changing everything - what the actual characters say. I think that they just changed all the facts and ruined part of the show. It's stupid why don't they just translate the words - closer to the Japs than making their own words up?

Vegeta himself didn't even know that SSJs changed forms - I mean hairdos and whatnots. He just thought that it was something mental (I think). So no one knew abt SSJ until Goku changed except Brolly and his dad. But if that movie wasn't made Goku is most prob the 1st SSJ.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I had heard from somewhere that at the begining FUNi couln't use the accual script. I don't know how good of a source they were but thats what I heard. Also FUNi is trying to, sorry for the term, Americanize it too much. If they wern't allowed to be more accurate then thats understandable, but if they just choose not to then its a whole new story. They add in too many stupid jokes, give the bad guys voices that sound like they are gay, and put in stupid background music. If they were to leave the original background music in I think it would have been better. also if you watch the Japanese version when they power up there isn't any grunting. It sounds like they are trying to force something out. I've gotten into too many arguments with people that think they know everything and use stuff from the FUNi version to back up what they say.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Remember, when Vegeta was going on about that 3 thousand year old legend, that was during the first 53 episodes of the dub which were down right shocking in all aspects. I forget who controlled those episodes(I think SABAN) but, as Tekel said, they changed all the facts for god knows what reason and butchered the violence in the show. Thankfully Funi moved away and controlled the episodes from 54 onwards allowing blood, violence and well you know the rest.
At least now, Funni are slowly but surely getting closer to a more accurate translation. It just took them a while to figure out that that they don't have to bust there buts day in and day out for something funny for krillin to say. The Japenese episodes are right infront of them and they only need to translate them in english sentences.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The most accurate translation that FUNi has done was the last episode on the Afterlife Tournament tapes. Thats the one where Gohan is starting Highschool. It was about 85% accurate, according to the fansubs I have. And thats only on the Uncut tapes. I've seen the edited version and its very different. If FUNi can keep up with that kind of stuff on the Uncut tapes then there may still be some hope for them. Everything else FUNi has done is at most 40-50% accurate. If you are wondering how I feel about FUNi, I refer you to my sig.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2001 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well at least now they actually have a difference between the edited and uncut episodes. It makes buying the uncut a little more worth your money.
I guess if they had to do an accurate translation at any stage in DBZ, it might aswell be the Buu saga since I hear it's the best saga out there.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2001 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Buu saga is great. Although they are going to edit a lot of it. In the fight between Videl and Suppopbichi, Videl gets the ¢rap beat out of her. It is one of, if not the most, violent saga in DBZ. I would have to say its my favorite. But the Baby, Super 17, and Evil Dragon saga's from GT are realy good too. If you have any questions about the Great Saiyaman or Buu sagas feel free to ask me. I know just about all there is to know about them.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2001 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok then, who is absorbed when Super Buupanks and Super Buupinks is formed (i can never seem to remember)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2001 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
do i leave this for GHW yeah i will

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2001 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
who is Buupanks. If you are talking about Buu+Goetenks+Piccolo, then the next person to be absorbed is Gohan. I havn't seen that part yet. I didn't have that in my old Fansubs, but the new ones I got have everything. I have the manga on my computer so I've read what happens but I still want to see it. I'm watching everyting from start to finish. I'm just starting the Garlic Jr. Saga.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Haired Warrior:
I'm watching everyting from start to finish. I'm just starting the Garlic Jr. Saga.



i would of given the saga the flick even if it we in Japanese it is still just as boring

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree that the Garlic Jr. Saga does suck. I guess the only reason they had it was to take up time. Also it shows that you don't need Gokou to save the day. The Sub version isn't that bad, but it does seem like a waste of time.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
well it never was meant to be a proper saga - the animators just did it for fun then it turned into a 'filler' saga

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
well then it was a waste of there time
and as for not needing goku to save the day they have the cell game for that

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
but Goku actually save the day - SSJ2 Gohan is da man


btw, if u didn't already know that, you shouldnt be in this forum...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
if it wasn't for Gokou talking to Gohan with the help of Kaio-Sama, Gohan wouldn't have been able to beat Cell.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thats seems to happen alot
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah i guess so
but it was still Gohan that had to all the work

well no not really cause he had help form all the others also
ok fine maybe goku did help but it was gohan that finshed it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't forget Vegeta's input in Cell's demise

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
if it weren't for Gohan, Goku would have no one to talk to...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah brolly was the first SSJ and he didnt get ****ed easy just when he saw kakaroto i ve seen the movie#8 and dam the brolly is strong he was born with a power level of 3000 thats why he is called the legendary super saiya -jin ha was practicly born SSJ
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who is Brolly I really want to know

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brolli is the main bad guy in movies 8, 10, and 11. He is THE legenday Super Saiya-jin. He was born with a battle power of 10,000. He is one badass guy. The first two movies are good, but the third kinda sucks.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2001 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In his third movie hes a clone isn't he
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah its called "Super Warrior Clone". Its alright. Not as good as the other 2.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah i heard it was pretty bad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
you know, brolli might just be 3,000 years old. In one of the last couple of episodes of DBZ, Bulma gets p***ed off because Vegeta and Goku look a lot younger than her. Vegeta explains that:
"The prime of a saiyan's life is fighting, therefor, the more we fight, the longer we remain young."
Maybe because Brolli is so big on fighting, he might be 3,000 years old.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
he's not 3000 years old. In the first brolli movie they say that he and Gokou are born on the same day.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah Brolly in defenatly not 3000yrs old
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah I agree.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Remember the reason Brolli was so ****ed with goku was because Goku was in the crib next to him, crying...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
when did they say he was 3000 years old? Brolly is pi$$ed at Goku cos they were next to each other when they were born and Goku kept crying which made Brolly cry...

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perfect_cell
Lin Minmay


Joined: 01 Feb 2001
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Location: Ashmore

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BUMP, there had to be a super saiyan before goku, i cant let this go!
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Mr Waffle
TEH WAFFLES!!11!


Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's gotta be the most massive bump in the history of humankind.
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