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Captain_Ginyu
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 4:41 pm    Post subject: My First Love Reply with quote
Neon genesis was my first anime love so if you have any questions just ask and i will tell you the answer. If i don't know it wasn't meant to be known!!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alright. You think you know it all? An easy query to test your skills.

What, precisely, is Rei Ayanami?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you know a place where I can read all about it. It has been so long since I have seen the show. My fav anime of all time.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are they eva gonna put it back on at SBS???
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmmm.Rei is actually a creation of Nerv or something like that.She has stacks of duplicates in a room and then someone destroyed them all.I don't even think she's a real human?

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Captain_Ginyu
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2000 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mmmmmmkay mr. Kermitron to put it plainly Rei is a clone, the result of an experiment that combined angel DNA with that of Yui Ikari (shinji's mum) the angel DNA was taken from lilith and is the reason it is so easy for her to merge with lilith and cause the third impact. She is also the backbone of the dummy plug system.
Too easy! give me something harder..

I meant questions about the actual show not about when it will be on t.v. etc.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Somthing harder huh.....
How come Rei appears infront of everyone before they die in the movies? When shes with Gendo Ikari the whole time? (The deaths that happen before the 3rd impact that is.)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captain_Ginyu:
Neon genesis was my first anime love so if you have any questions just ask and i will tell you the answer. If i don't know it wasn't meant to be known!!


yep, Eva was my first anime i really loved so much as i dedicated myself to creating an Aussie Eva site for it for the last 21 months



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Captain_Ginyu
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thats a goodin' but i'll answer it anyway,(try not to get confused by my explanation) you see Lilith is the mother of human kind and there for all of human life must return to lilith at some point (the same way all the angels come from adam) and as we know rei was cloned from both shinji's mum and lilith, this is why it is so easy for her to merge with lilith and complete her regeneration and also why lilith takes on the appearance of rei. When the constructive third impact is triggered it is said that all human life will go to heaven without question(prophisized in the dead sea scrolls) that is why when the third impact takes place we see a whole bunch of rei's going to everyone and killing them with a touch(this is not actually rei but lilith accepting everyones soul back to her and into heaven) The reason rei appears with the others when they die (before the third impact) is to signify that they too are being accepted back to lilith (and heaven),anyone that dies before the third impact is judged on wether they go to heaven or not by what they have done while alive, if they are a good or a bad person.So there fore it is not really rei or lilith but just a symbolisation that they are going to heaven.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well met my brother! At last... another person with the same passion for Evangelion as I... and some basic knowledge of the series to match... you know... every other person that has voiced any opinion on the series to me believes that it was the worst anime they have ever seen...
SACRILEDGEOUS FOOLS!!!!!
It's nothing short of miraculous... and in reply to your first statement... Shin Seiki Evangerion (the japanese name) spurred my fascination with the world of anime... It was and remains my all time favourite...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well done.

Though I was under the impression that the people in the movie were not dying.
Humans and the physical bonds that hold them together are Absolute Terror fields...humanity needs independence, craves individuality. The AT field exists to stop all people from merging.
When 'Rei' touches them, she is removing their AT fields so all Lillith's offspring, (humanity), can live together as one as Shinji desired.

At least, that's my call.
It can probably mean anything depending on your view. Shinji wanted world peace or something didn't he? Best way to do it is to remove the emotional barriers that prevent understanding.

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Bad Vegeta
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captain_Ginyu:
Neon genesis was my first anime love so if you have any questions just ask and i will tell you the answer. If i don't know it wasn't meant to be known!!





Was it.

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Captain_Ginyu
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes it was! Thanks for the input by the way!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2000 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, that was a really relevant addition to the conversation.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2000 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, Ayanami Rei is cloned from parts of Lilith and Ikari Yui's DNA.

Rei 'contains' the soul of Lilith.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2000 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kermi:
Well done.

Though I was under the impression that the people in the movie were not dying.
Humans and the physical bonds that hold them together are Absolute Terror fields...humanity needs independence, craves individuality. The AT field exists to stop all people from merging.
When 'Rei' touches them, she is removing their AT fields so all Lillith's offspring, (humanity), can live together as one as Shinji desired.

At least, that's my call.
It can probably mean anything depending on your view. Shinji wanted world peace or something didn't he? Best way to do it is to remove the emotional barriers that prevent understanding.




Yeah, when i said killing them i just meant ending their human life on earth.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2000 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captain_Ginyu:
Neon genesis was my first anime love so if you have any questions just ask and i will tell you the answer. If i don't know it wasn't meant to be known!!


what is your opinion on who kill kaji?. just forword your answer has soon as possible

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2000 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[/B][/QUOTE]Is any of the dvd releases in english and are they going to be released in english (one of most end of evangelion in english, cause only seen it Japanese)

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Captain_Ginyu
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think Kaji was killed by Misato Katsuragi, although i don't have any real proof. She gets her gun back, then he gets shot, then when she gets that message she starts crying possibly because she acted too quickly. I think she did it because he was after all a spy and there for a danger to NERV, also she thought he was just playing her to get what he wanted from NERV, then when she gets the message he says ...."to say the words i couldn't say 8 years ago.." she realises she wasn't being played and she starts crying because she acted too quickly.
When she gets her gun back that guy says "it's being taken care of" as he hands it to her, I think implying that she has to take care of it.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think that Misato did it. The NERV guy handed her gun back saying that they took care of it. It she did it then she would have her gun.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm pretty sure that Anno-san has said in interview that Ryouji Kaji wasn't killed by any of the main characters in NGE. Certainly, I'd have thought Misato was totally out of the frame for the following reasons:

1. When she is being interrogated, she hands in her gun because she knows that Section 2 are aware of her and Kaji's relationship. She seems to be under arrest until S2 tell her that "everything has been taken care of". Why would she then kill Kaji for an organisation that she already suspects and mistrusts?

2. Kaji rescues Major Fuyutsuki from SEELE. Fuyutsuki tells him, "they'll kill you for this". I'm guessing he meant either SEELE or S2. Why would NERV, let alone Misato kill him after he'd already freed Fuyutsuki when his initial act of treason was the abduction of Fuyutsuki in the first place?

3. When Kaji sees his killer(s), he is not surprised but tells them they are (?too) late. If it was Misato, then late for what? For stopping him saving Fuyutsuki?

4. Misato seems to have a propensity for badgering people she is holding a gun on (like Ritsuko). I would have thought she would make Kaji of all people 'please explain'.

Misato's reaction from getting her gun back to hearing the phone message could just as easily be the dread she feels in knowing Kaji is marked for death, followed by the grief of losing her lover without even being able to say 'goodbye'.

At least, that's what I reckon.
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Arael
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahh yes, Captain...I almost forgot. Try this one on.

Why does Shinji see Rei before the Third Angel attack, before he's been introduced to the EVAs and even before meeting Rei?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I could field that one... but I won't, because that would spoil the fun.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Misato gets her gun back, THEN you see Kagi getting shot, so it still could have been Misato. Kagi might not even have been killed at all, do you see him dead?

Where did NERV get/and what is, the Lance of Loginus?

I must say Evangelion is not only the best anime I've seen, but also the best TV show ever.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2000 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the frist anime that got me hooked was techno man all thou im having duobs that it was japanise oh well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hey I remember techno man...
not that you all needed to know that!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by bLoBbY:
Where did NERV get the Lance of Loginus?



Recall the episode where Gendo and Fuyutsuki were both away and Misato had just been promoted to Major, the big oragne angel was in the sky?
At some point in that episode (forgive me, it's been awhile since I watched it) we see the Aircraft Carrier that the commanders are on, they are in Antarctica, the site of the Second Impact.
On the deck of the carrier we see a long object that appears to be wrapped in some kind of cloth, that is the Lance of Longinus.

I'm honestly not entirely sure on what it is precisely, but I believe it was used to take away Adam's power so it could be reduced to it's embryo form, allowing him to be captured.
Later it is used to inhibit the regrowth of Lillith (when we see Lillith on the crucifix, the lance is sticking out of 'her'.

Someone, please try to explain better than this

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Traditionally, the Lance of Longinus was the spear which the Roman soldiers used to poke Jesus in the side while he was on the cross, to make sure he was dead. I don't think the NGE lance is supposed to be the same one (it's a tiny bit...big) but is named after it as a symbolic representation (like the use of the Sephiroth, the exploding crosses, etc.). Its effect seems to be that it can totally invert an AT Field which can either destroy the target like the beautiful Angel of Birds or break down its ego border like EVA-01 in the movies. I think the naming of it Lancia Longinus reflects the release of the Soul the 'original' lance enacted upon Jesus.

How does that sound?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, Toji shot Kaji. He had a crush on Misato and knew that he didn't have a chance unless he bumped Kaji off.
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Arael
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Really?? Not a bad effort for a guy with only one arm and one leg.

I'm sure Makoto and Kensuke would have to stake their claims too!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TOJI #@!*#@ give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah why not? Makes as much sense as a lot of other theories about it!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Captain, please don't forget my question about Rei!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Damn I should have watched the final genises.

So in The End of Evangelion Everyone dies.but what about all those other Eva's isn't there another series?or have I been lied to.arn't there more actuall eva's.

oh well this is a basic question but at the start theme song(Cruel angels thesiswhich bloody rocks) and in the background of the cover of tape 2! what does that table chart thing mean with what looks like Latin?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those designs with all of the Latin stuff written on them are pictures of the Sephiroth or the 'Tree of Life'. It comes from the Jewish tradition but has also been used by other religions such as early Christianity. It could kind of be described as being a roadmap to heaven, if you like. It is made up of certain principles (for example, Mercy and Severity) which must be balanced in order to reach heaven or become 'closer to God', so these are like the branches of a tree. Other principles ( such as Beauty) form the basis of the search, like a tree trunk.
In Evangelion, the Sephiroth could be seen to represent NERV and SEELE's desire to become 'like God' through the use of the EVA series to defeat the Angels and initiate the Instrumentality of Man where humans reunify to become 'like God'. It could also be seen to represent how Shinji must achieve balance and harmony of these kinds of qualities in his own life before he can take responsibility for himself and learn to like himself for who he is, not who he thinks he should be.

Either that or they caught Mr. Squiggle on his day off.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok arael you said that the lance of longinus was the spear used to poke jesus. but Loginess was the name of one of the soldiers that poked jesus with a spear (an ordinary spear i think) not the name of the spear.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2000 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wasn't the SEELE guy made to live forever, because he spat in the eyes of Jesus, so that's why he wanted the whole instrumentality thing, so he could die?

well, all I can remember from the movies when I saw them long ago, was when Shinji was strangling Asuka, and then it ended with her saying 'I feel sick' *shrug*

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah...its the Lance of Longinus, the name of the dude.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oops, sorry I completely forgot about that...thanks for clearing it up! ****surei shimasu!

[Hmmm, interesting censoring program! ]

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Wasn't the SEELE guy made to live forever, because he spat in the eyes of Jesus"
His name is Keel Lorenz he has been dubbed as the Wandering Jew but that is ONLY speculation their is no evidence of that, however the idea does fit... I dont personally believe it, but lets look at it logically. The wandering Jew spat in Christs eye and for this sin was forced to live for ever until the appocolypse.... just waiting. However he is not in the bible he is only in Jewish faith, which EVA is HEAVILY influenced by. Keel has an eletronic spine and eyes, after 2000 years his body could of rotted which is a nice twist to his punishment, he lives for ever but his body still ages... that COULD be an explination for his rotting body.

Him being the Wandering Jew would also explain his motivation, I mean Instrumentality is basically death, it is so closely related... (look at my signiature) so he could want instrumentality to end his life... that y he was happy that instrumentality was taking place in EoE even if it didnt happen his way.

However it is only speculation which has some backing up.. with some logical thinking... either way it makes sence.... either he is a punished man wanting death... or a power crazed selfish man who wants to rule the world by forcing the people to unite with him.

{Yes sorry I noticed my Sig is not working.. I must forget to turn it on or something.. oh well.... heres the quote;
"Birth is the beginnering of Death"
"Death is the the end of a dream"
"Rebirth is the continuation of Reality"}

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for clearing that up for me Access... I'd forgotten Keel's name, 'cause I haven't watched the series in a while

You seem to know ... a lot about Eva, suspicious in fact

I'd tend to do with the whole 'punished guy wanting death' with a little power hungry maniac guy added in for good measure. Heh

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"What, precisely, is Rei Ayanami?"
Rei is a person brought up as Gendou's daughter... she is cloned with Yuis DNA... and Lilliths. Yui planned Reis existence well before she enterered herself into Unit01. Gendou and yui worked toegther for their goal. Angels and man have conflicting phlosiphy, this is because metaforically, angels got the fruit of life while man got the fruit of knowledge we have free will, while Angels only work by instincts with no ability to make consious desicions.

So Rei has a hard time thinking... she couldnt understand things such as love, for her Angel DNA would not allow it. That why she has problems expressing herself. She was created by Gendou so he could merge with her and Adam, and then with Lillith so he could institute 3rd impact and he could be the centre being. Rei also had a disfunctional childhood, not growing up like regular children which complicates matters as well... she was scarely aware of her Angel DNA until the double helix Angel merged with her, and she became aware of her angel nature. Rei needed a soul... and Lilliths soul was transferred into her... hence Lilltih imobility on the cross. Once one Rei dies another clone is released and her soul is transferred across.

Eventually Rei becomes aware of her Angel abuilitys (eg to activily use her AT field) and took graet curosity in kaoru who was exactly like her cloned from humans and Adam... with Adams soul... HOwever Rei's strong maternal instincts in her genes from Yui made her feel for Shinji... and made her want to protect him. She had great love, but had no way of expressing it.


"How come Rei appears infront of everyone before they die in the movies?"
Because when Instrmentlaity was implemented, Rei was the consiousness of the planet... and it was Annos way of expressing that... Rei was sort of seen as a Kame type figure... and it was the "Rei's" job to distract the minds of the all the people to allow them to lower their AT field and accept instrmentality.

"Though I was under the impression that the people in the movie were not dying."
In a sence they were... instremnaltiy is SO closely related to Death... (see my sig).. however the outcome of what happen in the end of the series is unclear... and always will be unlcear.... I like that. Whether mankind will return as Rei said they could, or whether Shinji and Asuka are like the new Adam and eve it doesnt matter...

"Shinji wanted world peace or something didn't he? "
No he just wanted to be liked... he was young and felt everybody would hate him if they understood him... Shinji was facing serious levels of depression. However when instmentality was introduced... he realised that without Pain and suffering we would not also have happiness and love.... thus he could live in a world with pain... he could hate himself... but still be happy living... He is the strongest character in EVA... with all the probl;ems Shinji made he still made this descion really highlights his strength as a character... and to see Anno's character in this light is a marvel.

"what is your opinion on who kill kaji?"
This is a pointless question and I am baffled by it being asked.... Anno stated himself... that it was not done by Misato.... the only reason their is confusion is because of the poor dubbed words.... she wasnt released and given her gun back until AFTER he was killed.... the NERV agent released Misato after they had gone and killed Kaji.... it was only shown before because when Kaji was shot it was a flash back.


"Why does Shinji see Rei before the Third Angel attack, before he's been introduced to the EVAs and even before meeting Rei? "
Shinji also sees her at the end of EoE... at the VERY end... It is a directors note... it is a form of foreshadowing... it help no physical relevance... it was just a note to Shinji that this whole ordeal was beginning... and seeing Rei at the end... was just a note to empahsise the finality of the ending. It was just symbolism which people mis intepret.

"Where did NERV get/and what is, the Lance of Loginus?"
The Lance is "claimed" to be the spear that was used on Christ to test if he was dead... however that is very much cicumstantial... I would definetly see that Anno wanted to show the connection between the 2, but their is NO evidence they ARE the same.

Now the Lance was orginally found at the Dead Sea.... how it got their is only speculation.... it is definelty organic, because it can be cloned.. i believe it is cloned from Lillith for various reasons. The Lance turns an AT field inside out so can rip through any AT field. The Lance was captured by Seele hundres of Years ago... and used to capture Lillith at the Black Moon (Geofront). Then in the year 2000... Keel fooled the katsuragi team that they were initiateding 3rd impact by not explaining to them about the other angels.

Keel needed Adam and knew that placing the Lance in Adam would allow him to claim Adam for cloning in producing EVA's. So the lance was placed in Adam and all his energy was expelled in the form of Light and heat. He tried to initiate 3rd impact... however only the merger of Lillith and adam can do that, so Adam exploded, from not being able to handle the power of the lance.

Eventually the Lance was cloned by Seele to be used as a weapontry by the EVA-series... however much less powerful. Only Lillith beings can withstand the lance... Unit-01 is cloned from Adam and Lillith and withstood the power of the Lance... and Lilltih withstood the power of the lance... and actually prevented it from regenerating so they could get as much LCL from it. These beings I believe can handle the power because they are both made up of the same things.

Eventually the Lance was reaclimed from Antatica half way through the series when Gendou and Fugitsu went to Antartica to claim it. Then was brought back.. and stuck in Lillith so more LCL could be taken from it.

"hey I remember techno man...
not that you all needed to know that!"
Yes Tekkaman kicks ass... (its REAL Japanese name)

"what does that table chart thing mean with what looks like Latin?"
2 images are shown Jacobs ladder and the System Siphrica which are the underlying soul of EVA. The Kabbalah is Jewish mysticisnm and has its role in EVA too. Many people just consider EVA to have religious references such as Christianity and Judaism, but there are many other religions references made in EVA. None stronger than that of the Kabbabalah. However the Kabbalah could more be considered a philosophy rather than a Religion. The diagrams if the mystical Tree of Life and Jacob's ladder being displayed during the opening theme automatically show Kabbalah influence. The diagram that appears in the opening credits of Neon Genesis Evangelion and which can be seen on the ceiling of Gendo Ikari's office is called the "Systema Sephirotica" which translates as "The Sephirothic System".

Originally drawn by a German Jesuit priest, Athanasius Kircher in 1653, the image is one of the many interpretations of the Sephiroth, or 'Tree of Life'. The Jewish Candle holder, the "Menorah" is another form. In a broad sense these diagrams are a symbolic representation or map of the path from the material to the spiritual world.

Kircher's drawing was based on his study of the Kabbalah, which means "tradition" in Hebrew. The Kabbalah claims to be a collection of secret knowledge handed down directly from God to his Angels, then to Adam and Moses, and it is said to provide the initiate with the ability to approach God directly. The Kabbalah was originally based on what might be called a cryptologic premise; that creation itself was a process involving ten digits and the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Together, they constitute the"32 paths of Sacred Wisdom".

The Sephiroth later became associated with facilities both human and divine, such as beauty, wisdom, and glory, and was seen as the very framework, or model through which God had created both the human being and the Universe. The Kabbalah has fascinated scholars, priests, psychologists and secret societies of every stripe since the close of the Middle Ages. Rei Ayanami, one of the Evangelion pilots, refers in episode 14 to the "entry plug" with which pilots are inserted into their EVA units as "the throne of the soul," a very Sephirothic concept.

All together there are 22 lines and 10 circles or Siphroth. It had been interpreted that each siphroth represents and established form of existence as they divide up god into separate aspects. The lines are called the Minor Paths of Wisdom and represent established forms of consciousnesses. The Kabbalah is a precise way of organising the perceptions of the world, one that is both analytical and holistical.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please stop writing such huge long replies.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
by the way the lance of loginus is only named after the soldier that stabbed christ in the side to see if he was dead!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry but I broke this one into sections.... so u only need to read what u want (which most liekly is not much...lol) ... and besides... if u are curious enough u will read as much EVA info as humanly possible.. Just remmeber though.... if u wanted to discuss something as deep as EVA dont expect one word answers....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow Access that is some heavy duty studying you've done! Hope nobody's gotten their toes trodden on!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I enjoyed reading all of it. Most are insights I've read before, of course they're the ones that make the most sense, hence they became popular.

Capt', what's the problem with writing long replies? don't read it if you don't want, but there are the answers to a large number of questions.
As for the lance being called what it is, we covered several times already how it's called that. The Lance of Longinus became a symbol, and that's the symbol of the lance in Evangelion. It is called the Lance of Longinus because it belonged to Longinus. Please, stop getting, for want of a better word, '****y' because people call it that. That's it's name.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Amen" to that Kermi!

I know the tradition of Keel Lorenz isn't in the 'official' Bible but neither is the legend about Lilith. Does anyone know why the Jews would come up with a legend about some guy spitting in Jesus' eye?
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"I know the tradition of Keel Lorenz isn't in the 'official' Bible but neither is the legend about Lilith. Does anyone know why the Jews would come up with a legend about some guy spitting in Jesus' eye? "
Well the bible is hardly reffered to in EVA... it is more of jewish torah and kabblah.. the bible is all based of the Torah anyway... only selected storys were picked which were "nice and pretty with a happy ending, generally" so when translated to Latin they left out the storys about a guy walking around waiting around for the appoclypse. However sicne being translated to English and eduited once more... it is nothing like the orginal Torah.. and the mathematics in it.. is down to a minimum.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2000 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry peoples but i was only joking when i said not to write such long replies(....I guess that didn't come through too well in the transcript.) And what i said bout the lance i just meant that it is not the actual thing loginus used to stab christ it's just named after him.

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